Bookworm Transcripts

00:00:00

All right, so we got a bunch of follow-up this time

00:00:03

Let's jump into this right away and I'll try to crank through this quick so that this doesn't become a follow-up episode

00:00:09

And we do actually get to today's book

00:00:11

There's some days. I think we need to do one of those

00:00:13

It's just a follow-up of the follow-up

00:00:16

Well, this one could definitely be that because I volunteered to do the brainwash last time and

00:00:22

That is a full 10-day thing

00:00:25

If you cut out the last two steps, which is what I did I?

00:00:29

Got done recording that episode with you. I mentioned I'm gonna try to do one of these a day

00:00:35

Basically the way that they wanted me to do it

00:00:38

But I was not going to follow all their suggestions

00:00:40

So I will go through quickly

00:00:43

What I did for all of these and you can kind of tell me if you think I qualify for have following the brainwash program or not

00:00:50

Okay

00:00:52

Actually first thing that I did which made this really awesome by the way

00:00:55

I put it all into Rome research

00:00:57

So I have the page for the brainwash

00:01:01

Process and then each of those bullets

00:01:04

I just made do on a specific day and that made it really easy like when I opened it up in the morning like

00:01:08

Oh, yeah, I gotta do that one today real quick

00:01:10

You should know this I have a page in my bullet journal in the index even

00:01:17

Titled what it would take to get me on Rome

00:01:21

Really and I have started collecting the like what Rome would have to do

00:01:27

To change their system that would get me to actually use the tool and I think this is gonna end up being a webinar at some point

00:01:35

So I don't know if it's solid for a webinar, but it's a thing. I'm collecting thoughts. I'm we'll see this is awesome

00:01:43

I can't wait to see this

00:01:45

Alright well without further ado day one digital detox

00:01:51

by far the biggest action item in brainwash

00:01:55

They had a whole big list of things which I

00:01:59

Condensed into a couple things that I actually did so number one

00:02:04

I went through every single device and looked at my notifications

00:02:08

So my Mac my iPad and my iPhone

00:02:10

Notifications are completely off on my iPad that is my creating device

00:02:14

I do not want to get anything on my iPad

00:02:16

Okay, and I thought that I had notifications tuned pretty good on my Mac and my iPhone too, but I basically just

00:02:24

Took a whole bunch of stuff out of notification center that was allowed and basically now only the essential stuff is there

00:02:30

So even things like I mentioned last time I've got this Bluetooth water bottle that has like the little spinny thing on the bottom

00:02:38

Yep, the lights glow and they tell you hey, it's time to drink water. That's actually worked really well

00:02:43

That's relating to another part of the brainwash, but I like turned off the notifications for the phone on that even even though

00:02:50

I want to know those things I just am relying now on the light going on on the water bottle

00:02:54

So no more notifications

00:02:57

I deleted probably over half of the apps that were on my phone

00:03:01

interesting not because I ever used them I mean my phone

00:03:06

Also on here I redesigned my home screen and I think I mentioned this a little bit last time

00:03:12

But I kind of dial it dial it in even further

00:03:14

so I've got my widgets in the

00:03:18

The today view and here I've got my series suggestions

00:03:23

I've got a couple mindfulness things so the meditation thing the mood notes a

00:03:28

Little widget for how close I am to reaching my daily water intake goal my batteries

00:03:33

Activity stuff

00:03:36

Reader has a widget so that actually pulls in like a newsfeed of my RSS feeds which is the only thing I'm relying on for news anymore

00:03:43

Which that alone has made a big impact. Yeah, then on the main screen. I've got some widget Smith stuff

00:03:51

I've got like a text thing that says create and I consume

00:03:54

So that's like the main thing I see when I open this like hey idiot

00:03:57

Don't play in the infinity pools. Yep, and then on the other side

00:04:01

I've got all of the the timery stuff which I know I can do more with this but it's basically the running timer

00:04:08

Total log and then a bunch of pre-made timers get it everything else is in the app library

00:04:15

but even with that I went through and deleted

00:04:19

Over the half the apps that were on my my phone so it is really just called down now to the essential stuff

00:04:25

same thing with the Mac with the notifications I

00:04:29

Also did a little bit with the the applications but on the Mac that doesn't really

00:04:34

Bug me so much. There's a lot of like one off. I use these every once in a while applications on my Mac and they're pretty much all

00:04:40

Intentionality focus. I typically don't have like games and time-wacy stuff on my Mac, right?

00:04:45

So I did all that stuff and then I watched the social dilemma

00:04:49

And that just kind of like cemented all this stuff in my brain. Yep. Yep

00:04:56

In the social dilemma by the way, there's a guy who wrote a book

00:05:00

Ten reasons to quit social media right now or something and as they were talking about that guy

00:05:05

I was ordering the book on Amazon. Yeah, and then they interviewed the guy and I was like, oh boy

00:05:10

Did I make a mistake?

00:05:13

I forget his name is a weird looking dude though

00:05:17

Was he the guy that's got like the dreads the dreadlocks going on all the way down is that the guy you're talking about?

00:05:25

Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Kind of the hippie looking dude

00:05:27

Exactly

00:05:29

Exactly. Yeah, I forget his for good his name, but I've got that book too as a get book hopefully sometime in the near future

00:05:36

So that's digital detox. How'd I do?

00:05:38

It sounds like you did pretty well as you were going through that I had to remember. Oh, yeah

00:05:44

notifications come through on the Mac. I forgot about that because

00:05:47

Way way way back when they introduced the notification center on the Mac

00:05:52

I turned on the do not disturbed where it

00:05:54

Starts at 11.59 and ends at midnight. So it is only allowing notifications for one minute in the middle of the night

00:06:01

I completely forgot about notifications on so when you're talking about turning notifications on the Mac like wait

00:06:08

What when did that when did that come out? Oh, right? I've turned all that off for years now

00:06:13

There you go, completely forgot about it. But yes, it's fascinating

00:06:17

I would love love love love for you to take some screenshots of these home screens these screens and cheer them

00:06:22

That would be sweet if you could do that. I don't know if that's sensitive what you have there. Yeah, no

00:06:28

There's nothing sensitive on there. I actually have some taken I'm working on a post for the sweet setup

00:06:33

Which will walk through this stuff. Oh perfect. Um, so I'll probably publish that and then link to it

00:06:38

Maybe not by the time this episode goes up, but I will be sharing that shortly. Yeah

00:06:46

Okay, so the next day and these will go a lot quicker day to practicing empathy through gratitude and there are

00:06:52

Two parts to this

00:06:54

One is a true action item right down five things that I'm thankful for

00:06:58

Which I did that again in

00:07:00

Rome research

00:07:02

Yeah, and then the other part is to thank someone every day. I've been trying to do this

00:07:07

This one is hard for me. I don't really think about this very often

00:07:11

So I know this is something that I need to keep coming back to but the big part of this which is

00:07:16

Take action now right down the five things. I'm thankful for did that

00:07:19

so I

00:07:22

Think I'm two for two so far. Good job. Number three nature

00:07:26

Therapy getting outside for at least 30 minutes a day. I have been doing this. I have been running outside

00:07:32

And actually biking because it's not snowing quite yet. It's really close. It's really cold

00:07:40

But I am still getting outside

00:07:42

And I intend to keep doing this even through the winter. I'm sure there will be days when I'm just not feeling it because there's

00:07:51

30 man hour mile an hour winds and it feels like negative 60 that does happen. Yep, but

00:07:56

It's I want to make that the exception not the rule and I think I got the gear in order to do that. Yeah

00:08:02

I saw that Isaac Smith was trying to go running

00:08:05

I think it was yesterday morning and got up and realized it was super windy and decided nope not for me and I'm like

00:08:12

Oh, come on. That's minor. Yeah, see I've been pushing through that stuff because there have been those days when it's like

00:08:18

Don't want to go

00:08:20

Part of one one thing that helps with this by the way is I was a path kind of by my house and I've been taking my dog lately

00:08:26

She can make it about four miles. So when I go for a shorter run

00:08:30

She comes with me. She gets so excited. Yeah getting ready to go

00:08:36

She basically like watches me putting on my gear and

00:08:38

Watches me stretching and she's kind of like five six feet away. Just staring at me

00:08:43

You know and then when I walk over to where her leash is like she starts going nuts

00:08:46

Yes, it's kind of like this question like do I get to come this time or do I not get to come my turn?

00:08:51

I get to go

00:08:52

Yeah, so you get your dog all excited you go outside

00:08:56

She's pulling you off the porch then it's a lot easier to just follow through and do it even if it's windy

00:09:02

Then if you know you step out there by yourself and you're like maybe I'll go back inside

00:09:06

Sure. Yeah

00:09:08

Nice so three five three doing good so far number four figuring out food

00:09:13

What they had said was more the big things for me were eat more a single ingredient food and

00:09:19

Have at least one meal per day be entirely plant-based

00:09:22

okay, so

00:09:24

I'm all in on the eating more single ingredient food and talk to Rachel about this

00:09:30

She does all the grocery shopping. She's on board with it too

00:09:33

So basically as she's doing the meal planning. This is something that we're trying to do

00:09:37

The other one is where I have a little bit of an issue because I do intermittent fasting

00:09:41

My first meal is at 11 and then I eat dinner at like five or six those are the only two meals I get in a day

00:09:47

Okay, I'm also running or biking every single day

00:09:51

So the thought of just eating a salad without any

00:09:58

Meat in it is not very appealing to me

00:10:01

So I have compromised and I have been basically eating like chicken salad

00:10:06

Yeah, for at least one meal every single day basically this whole week and that I think

00:10:12

Gets me 80% of the way the way there

00:10:15

Because I typically would never eat a salad. I'm a meat and potatoes kind of guy

00:10:24

So just applying the intentionality like hey

00:10:28

One meal per day. This is what I'd like to eat and then Rachel's kind of doing the same thing

00:10:33

Then you know that is that has actually worked

00:10:37

I will allow you to either grant me the point for that one or not

00:10:41

Mmm, I think I'll give it to you just because you're at least making the effort

00:10:46

I think I would die if I went without a meal

00:10:51

The idea of skipping a meal like every day is just like

00:10:54

Exactly so then by well

00:10:57

I've been doing it for years now and I like it because you're really focused in the morning

00:11:02

You can crank out a bunch of writing and then about 11 o'clock

00:11:05

You're like I am starving and at that point yep just eating a bunch of leaves is not appealing

00:11:10

Well you if you compare that

00:11:14

Every morning I have a slice of sourdough toast with peanut butter on it two eggs

00:11:21

and

00:11:23

Sardine and a half so I do eat sardines in the morning. I'm one of these weird guys who do that and that's my breakfast every morning so it's a fairly substantial

00:11:31

breakfast and

00:11:35

the concept of

00:11:37

Skipping breakfast every morning. I know

00:11:39

Yeah, that's that's fine, but because I do I

00:11:45

Get to lunchtime, which is the obvious candidate for this meal because we're all going to eat dinner

00:11:51

Together and the kids aren't gonna just eat salad right right I needed to modify it a little bit

00:11:58

So I did and this seems to be working. I actually like this a lot the chat's not terribly thrilled with my sardine eating me either

00:12:06

For what it's worth I can't do the ones with the bones and the skin on it

00:12:13

I have to do the ones that have all that removed. That's what I have to do. It reminds me of cloudy with a chance of meatballs

00:12:19

baby Brent

00:12:22

Okay sardines aren't for everyone my apologies

00:12:27

All right, so the next one is successful shut eye

00:12:32

This has been something that we've talked about over and over on the podcast the topic of sleep

00:12:36

I've kind of dialed this in but I did kind of review everything regarding my nighttime routine and my sleep setup for this

00:12:43

And so just some of the things that we've done. We've got a weighted blanket on our bed. We've got blackout curtains. We've got

00:12:51

Like white noise that we play every night. We've kind of got like our

00:12:56

nighttime routine down where unless I am reading a book for bookworm and taking notes in my note on my iPhone

00:13:05

I'm trying not to be looking at screens stuff like that. So I feel like this is this is pretty good

00:13:13

Day six embracing exercise

00:13:16

There's two parts to this one is the exercise itself 30 minutes of exercise per day. I've been nailing that since

00:13:22

mid-March

00:13:25

Yeah, yeah, but another part of this was exercising with others which I have never really done

00:13:32

Other than a handful of times with my brother going for a run or bike grad or whatever sure

00:13:38

But because of this brainwash I now have somebody from my church that I go running with every Saturday morning

00:13:45

Okay, so I have made a routine now. We've done it

00:13:50

three times I think

00:13:53

We're gonna go again this this Saturday

00:13:55

And yeah, so I've got a routine now of exercising with someone which is way more fun than doing it by yourself

00:14:02

Yeah, and no, I'm not doing CrossFit. Sorry awful otter

00:14:06

But the thing I just connected you know as I'm looking through this

00:14:13

Because I didn't realize this when you were on day three the nature therapy side of it

00:14:18

But you're doing two of these essentially in one step like it's duplicated with the exercise with the run outside

00:14:26

You're kind of doubling up there, which is probably a smart way to do that kind of the way I implemented this though

00:14:32

I was tackling that specific thing for that day. So on nature therapy day

00:14:36

I made sure that I got outside and then obviously you want to turn it into a routine, right?

00:14:40

But on day three basically I was making sure I got outside

00:14:43

day six

00:14:46

Embracing exercise this happened to land on a Saturday

00:14:48

So I made sure that I lined up this running thing and then we've kind of figured out now

00:14:54

In the last couple days that yeah, we want to keep this going even through the winter, so nice

00:15:00

And then as I'm looking at day seven here the title that you wrote down is Medicaid with medication. Oh, sorry meditation

00:15:07

It's only reason I had to point it out

00:15:11

Yep, I was making this outline last night after not sleeping super great the night before

00:15:19

Even though I had dialed in my successful shut. I still some some days. It just it doesn't happen. Yep

00:15:26

Yep, it does have so yes, you found my typo I

00:15:30

Started this with headspace because I have always liked headspace. I've got the subscription already yada yada yada

00:15:38

However in redesigning my home screen I had the headspace widget set up on my today view and

00:15:44

You cannot customize that widget it just takes you to the stupid daily video that they do

00:15:51

That's not what I want I want today's headspace or whatever they call it right

00:15:55

Whatever and you can't go straight to that it loads the video and you got to flip through like the five different screens and

00:16:01

Like well, this is annoying. I wonder if 10% happier

00:16:05

Links straight to the the daily meditation, which it does yep, so I downloaded that soon as I downloaded it

00:16:11

I got an offer to resubscribe at 40% offer something for the the year nice so even though I have the headspace

00:16:20

subscription I felt like I could justify giving 10% happier a shot and I've done that now the last four days

00:16:28

Five days four days. Okay, I like it a lot the one thing I don't like about 10% happier is that sometimes the daily meditations

00:16:35

Begin at 10 minutes, which I would prefer at least at the beginning a shorter interval

00:16:41

I the five minute is kind of the sweet spot for me, but yep, oh well. Yeah, I know that they do that

00:16:48

intentionally

00:16:49

Like they I know that they'd spent quite a bit of time

00:16:52

Talking about that because it was one of the meditations where they do like a coaching thing

00:16:57

And then they get into the actual guided meditation on most of those yep

00:17:01

And there was one of them that I went through where Dan Harris was talking about

00:17:05

Designing the app and how they decided to do certain things

00:17:10

I wish I could remember which one of those it was and he called out like we thought about making it

00:17:16

You be able to choose the number of minutes you wanted to

00:17:19

Do this but then they decided they were gonna put up this minimum of 10

00:17:23

Because they were seeing the research shows that that's the minimum you need to do

00:17:28

To get the benefit so sure

00:17:31

You know it doesn't really help people when they're

00:17:34

Trying to get into it at the very very beginning trying to do something shorter just to build the habit

00:17:40

It doesn't really help in that scenario. So that that's my complaint with it actually, you know

00:17:44

I've liked 10% for a long time

00:17:47

But I don't like that they forced that restriction

00:17:50

I'm fine with it now

00:17:51

But if you were just starting I think it makes a little bit harder to get into it

00:17:55

I concur but that's okay

00:17:57

I've been able to stick with it and I do like the meditations that they have in there. They are very

00:18:03

Non-spiritual which maybe sounds kind of weird, but that's what I want from my meditation app

00:18:10

I just want to train my brain. I want I want no one's opinion about where this should be going spiritually

00:18:15

Let me take care of that side

00:18:17

right

00:18:19

right, it's like the

00:18:21

You know that you kind of have to be particular with your terms when you're using

00:18:25

meditation

00:18:26

Versus mindfulness versus yeah transcendental meditation like you got to be careful when you use those three because you know

00:18:33

They are different so exactly and then the last one day eight strong bonds spend at least 10 minutes

00:18:39

connecting

00:18:41

This one has been hard for me to the day that this happened. I was able to do this. I

00:18:45

actually taught my

00:18:48

oldest son how to time block

00:18:51

nice it was kind of a spontaneous thing and

00:18:55

He was working on his school work and I don't know how it came up

00:19:00

But I'm like hey you want me to show you how to do this?

00:19:02

Yeah, so took about 10 minutes

00:19:04

It was just him and him and I at the kitchen table everybody else was downstairs doing their school work already

00:19:10

So that was that was pretty cool

00:19:13

But I have a real hard time making this a habit

00:19:16

Just like the other one that was hard for me is reaching out to somebody and thanking them every day. Yeah, I

00:19:23

Don't know why this is so hard for me, but it is so I don't know. I feel like

00:19:29

Technically I completed this one, but I don't feel like I really did if that makes any sense sure I got more work to do here

00:19:37

Yeah, and that's fair, but that's my brain wash

00:19:40

Do you feel clean so clean?

00:19:42

So so then the question is you know day nine and ten are reflect on it and set up the next whatever

00:19:49

Which you didn't talk about so?

00:19:52

reflecting on those eight days as part of that

00:19:56

do you feel like

00:19:59

Going through those eight days you came out on the other end

00:20:03

much better and better prepared to build new routines or do you feel like it was just

00:20:09

enacting

00:20:11

Things that you've been doing in the past and it just gave you an excuse to focus on one of the

00:20:16

Already existing habits that you have does that make sense? Yeah, I feel like it helped me dial in some things and some of the specifics that they had shared

00:20:26

Kind of brought some ideas for things that I would not have come up with myself sure like the

00:20:34

Salad once a day, you know, I can see myself doing that for the foreseeable future and

00:20:40

I think that long term that will have some health benefits for me. I

00:20:46

Don't think you know, you know, you notice that the first day that you have salad. Yes

00:20:52

But it's also kind of been turned into a little mini habit already and

00:20:58

That happened quicker than I thought it was was going to show really all I needed was like a

00:21:04

Little bit of a kick in the pants to to get that going. I did not yeah

00:21:09

I didn't do like the the full-on retrospective now plan how you're gonna continue to do this stuff because I

00:21:16

Wanted to just basically try what they were telling me to do and then from there identify

00:21:20

What if anything I need to modify in terms of adjustments?

00:21:24

I think the thing that I take away from this is that there is some stuff that I've dialed in there's some stuff that

00:21:29

I was doing well already before like the running and exercising

00:21:33

There's some stuff that it's refined like the running with other people which I want to continue to do

00:21:38

There's some stuff that they had me go through once which are going to provide a benefit like deleting all the apps and turning off all the

00:21:45

qualifications on my devices yep, and then there's stuff that like it's obviously this is an area where I need to work on like

00:21:52

Thinking somebody every day and developing the strong bonds and I'm not quite sure what I want to do with those yet

00:21:58

Sure, I don't want to commit to like yeah, I'm gonna call somebody every single day

00:22:02

I guess you know I should probably have like a follow-up follow-up item

00:22:08

I'm like what did you finally decide with this but I'm kind of mulling this over right now and trying to figure out

00:22:15

Where this fits for me sure but overall I'm glad that I did it it definitely was a lot of work

00:22:21

but took on for the team and

00:22:24

Glad I got through it. Good job. Proud of you. I was not about to do this

00:22:29

I'm grateful that one of us decided to do it so that we could figure out and have an opinion on whether or not

00:22:36

It was worthwhile or not so good job

00:22:39

You could say you weren't motivated to do a brainwash you could say I was very unmotivated to do a brainwash

00:22:46

That's definitely true and now I know why

00:22:49

Yes, that leads us to today's book which is the motivation code by Todd Henry a

00:22:57

Book about motivation, which is not at all what I thought it was

00:23:01

There are three parts to this because if you're going to write a productivity book you must have three parts

00:23:09

Yes, part one is what drives you part two is all of the motivational themes and part three is now

00:23:16

What that is the application of what he's talking about?

00:23:19

Part one what drives you is probably where the discussion is going to happen

00:23:25

There is an assessment that he gives you access to in this section and then part two

00:23:30

That's basically a description of all of the different 27 areas that you may be identified as in the assessment

00:23:38

part three where you actually apply what you've learned and

00:23:41

Not a whole lot there the majority of this book is these motivational themes which he breaks down into families

00:23:48

talks about the the good traits the shadow side traits the

00:23:53

Ways to work with someone who is this type of thing and the situations in which they they thrive

00:24:00

so I

00:24:02

think we should talk a little bit about this first part and then maybe dive in

00:24:07

to the

00:24:09

Results of the assessments after given just a real brief overview of the different families definitely not going into all 27

00:24:17

Of the possibilities, but there's some commonalities between these families

00:24:21

Which maybe would be helpful before we share our stuff and what families they fall into sure I

00:24:26

will say this is as I was preparing for

00:24:32

Today's recording this the way this is all set up and there's so many different potential motivators here

00:24:38

I'm I'm planning to just reference each thing in the book as we go through this and normally don't do that

00:24:44

Like I normally flip through and look at one or two things here and there

00:24:48

But in this particular case

00:24:50

I'm very likely to need this thing open the whole time and it's because there's so many little tiny details about

00:24:58

Each one of them. This is one of these books. That's crazy dense

00:25:01

As far as the information for the number of words on in the book so

00:25:08

You probably have an upper hand on me now because you've got all this in your mind node file now

00:25:14

I'm not gonna rewrite all this stuff down. It's in the book. I'm just gonna keep the book open

00:25:20

So just be aware if you hear me flipping pages, that's what I'm doing

00:25:24

well that therein lies a tale because that is how I take notes and

00:25:29

That resulted in a crap ton of notes

00:25:34

I figured I

00:25:37

Wonder if this was gonna be one of the massive mind node files you've got

00:25:41

This one took forever for me to get through because of all these stupid notes

00:25:51

So then the question is did you spend more time building your mind node file than reading the book? Oh?

00:25:56

Absolutely. Yeah for sure

00:25:59

Nice, which is kind of what bugged me about this and why I entered it the way I did

00:26:05

This is totally not the right format for

00:26:08

For discussing this book to be honest. This is like the strengths finder in a lot of ways

00:26:16

Where you buy the strengths finder book and it's a summary of all of the different strengths

00:26:21

But you don't need to know all of the different strengths

00:26:24

You need to know what yours are and what you're gonna do about them

00:26:28

So if you were to pick up this book and you're thinking how do I get the maximum?

00:26:33

Benefit from this you read the first 20 pages you take the assessment

00:26:39

You read your top three sections not all 27 and then you read the end. Yes

00:26:45

So everybody else but Mike gets through this very quickly

00:26:49

But because I am dedicated to the bookworm club members

00:26:56

And I'm thinking in the back of my head they're gonna be expecting a mind node file. You got to make it. I

00:27:02

Made it

00:27:05

Good for you. I'm proud of you Mike. I would not like I

00:27:09

Cuz I totally I wanted to give up. I wanted to just mail it in. I honestly did there's so much. I did not

00:27:16

skim this I will say that

00:27:19

However, I read the parts that don't apply to me very quickly in comparison to the parts that apply to me

00:27:25

Like I was running through them very quickly and it's like yeah, mm. Yeah, I get it. That's not me. Oh

00:27:31

That one is

00:27:33

Huh, I wonder if that's hmm. Yes, so

00:27:38

I don't envy you in this case. Oh

00:27:40

No, I don't envy me either quick side note cuz the chat's asking

00:27:46

The first part that you're that we're getting ready to get into what drives you you go through that then you take the assessment

00:27:54

the assessment is online yep, and

00:27:56

We should point out that there's a free version of that

00:28:00

Which is what I took and it sounds like you took one of the paid versions of it to get the full spectrum and

00:28:08

As we were talking beforehand, I may want to go do the bigger one now

00:28:13

Yeah, so we'll talk about those differences when we get to our results

00:28:17

But yeah, there is a free one motivation code comm slash free. I think is the free one

00:28:22

So what drives you real quickly here?

00:28:25

This is where they discussed what I thought this book was going to be about yeah, which is like why motivation matters

00:28:34

And chapter one specifically unique motivation is the missing key

00:28:38

They kind of talk about how a lot of people in fact only 33% is the statistic that they shared are actually engaged at work

00:28:47

Which means two-thirds of the workforce are not engaged

00:28:51

But I forget the scale that they use for that

00:28:54

But there's basically two different categories that fall into that 33% so it is like everything below a certain threshold

00:29:00

Which is kind of terrifying when you think about it

00:29:03

I had to go get tested for covid yesterday because I was exposed and I'm looking at the people behind the glass

00:29:09

And you can just tell they do not want to be there and I'm like I

00:29:13

Wish you were engaged in your work right now because I don't want to be here either

00:29:17

Yes

00:29:20

But I know they're volunteers and yeah like that was an interesting experience. Yep

00:29:25

It's okay. So this is a point that's I think worth exploring here

00:29:29

Just a little bit because I actually had to do a covid test yesterday as well. We didn't talk about this

00:29:34

But no we were not together. I did the mail-in version of this so you go online and they send it to you and

00:29:42

I had to sit in a zoom waiting room and then they come on and they walk you through the whole thing

00:29:48

And then you ship it back to them via UPS

00:29:50

but the gal that I

00:29:54

Had it had to do that with was like

00:29:57

Super energetic and bubbly and it's like oh, yeah

00:30:01

All you got to do is and then she walked me through the whole thing's like yep, and then you do this and then like

00:30:05

okay, there's there's a line here of

00:30:09

being good at your job and being willing to help and

00:30:14

Holy cow, you're so bubbly you're gonna drive me nuts like

00:30:18

There's a line there

00:30:21

Sometimes you need to scale that back. Well, I can tell you from my experience. There were no bubbles in the room. Yeah

00:30:28

So it's just it's just weird. I mean

00:30:32

There's so much

00:30:34

Fear attached to everything

00:30:36

Covid yeah, so you walk in there, and it's just the whole

00:30:40

room just feels

00:30:43

somber yeah exactly

00:30:45

so

00:30:47

Interesting experience, but anyways like I had a real-life example of people who were not engaged or actively

00:30:53

Disengaged with their job because they did not want to be there right so that's like why this stuff matters is

00:31:00

that a lot of people aren't engaged with their work and he kind of lays out the

00:31:06

Argument that the reason that they're not is that they're not motivated. Why aren't they motivated?

00:31:11

It's because maybe their work is trying to motivate them with things that aren't motivating to them as an individual

00:31:20

That's where he presents this idea of the motivation code understanding your top three motivators

00:31:25

And then kind of jumping to the end what you want to do is build your work life around these motivators

00:31:31

So that you're motivated to do your work makes sense, right? So far so good the one thing

00:31:36

I want to call it from this section which I really appreciated is that all the science behind

00:31:41

The assessment that they outline yep is actually online

00:31:45

So if you want the science you can go get it, but if you don't you don't even have to see it yep

00:31:50

It doesn't even have to be in the book. We don't have to print it

00:31:52

Yep, it made me wonder if they did that so that they could update the science

00:31:56

Over time yeah, I'm sure that that's a that's a piece of it that would make a lot of sense

00:32:03

The other problem with this though is that there is not a whole lot of science. Yeah

00:32:09

Yes, it's like a 12 page PDF or something. I looked it up last night

00:32:13

now also keep in mind my background here working with a family business that is an assessment company and

00:32:21

the amount of research that goes into the assessments that we've done

00:32:27

Is pretty staggering that's not probably fair to hold other people to that?

00:32:34

Standard but just for comparison

00:32:38

The core assessment in the emotional intelligence stuff which I had you go through when we did the emotional intelligence book

00:32:44

Yep, that single assessment

00:32:46

Has a hundred and forty doctoral level papers and books that have been written on it

00:32:52

And it has been used over eight and a half million times sure

00:32:57

This one was like yeah, this one study talked about this thing and this other one said that thing the end

00:33:02

So so in your mind you're like so is this thing valid?

00:33:07

Yeah, exactly your mind now

00:33:09

I don't think the average person would have any questions about the validity of this and I understand it takes time to develop

00:33:16

The science behind it and I feel like that's kind of the stage that they're in right now

00:33:21

Yeah, they've got their hypothesis

00:33:23

They've shared what they have in this book based on the science and the research that they've already done

00:33:27

But I feel like this is going to evolve and grow over time and maybe it ends up being something like the Strengths Finder

00:33:34

Where this is just like another one of those assessments that everybody's heard about

00:33:37

I feel like that's where Todd Henry wants it to get to right. I'm not sure it will though

00:33:41

Yeah, I don't know having gone through it and just the little

00:33:45

Free version that I went through has me

00:33:48

Rethinking a lot of things at the moment. It's like wait what so I have lots of questions

00:33:54

to

00:33:56

Send to myself on this

00:33:59

So I'm curious when we get to the end of this how action items pan out

00:34:05

All right, I think that's all I really want to talk about in that first section

00:34:09

He talks about the motivational families, which we'll go over in a second here

00:34:15

He also talks about the process for the assessment, which is a little bit different

00:34:19

You have to create these achievement stories and you write

00:34:24

Basically three different stories in the assessment and then after you've written those stories you answer all the questions on a scale of one to ten

00:34:32

Which by the way, I'm not sure what device you did the sign if you did it on your phone

00:34:36

It's very easy to miss the not applicable button. Oh, I did it on my Mac. So okay

00:34:43

I didn't have that issue because it was very obvious

00:34:45

It was because on the Mac it showed the full scale and then at the far right it had the in a yes

00:34:50

Yep button, so it's pretty obvious when I went through it

00:34:53

So I take it that wasn't the case that was not the case when I took the free one

00:34:58

I just did the one to ten and then when I did the paid one

00:35:02

I did it on my Mac and I saw the the not applicable sure so I got slightly different results both times

00:35:08

But I feel like the full one is actually more accurate and they are actually pretty similar

00:35:13

Okay, so I haven't gone through it. I feel like the results are are valid

00:35:18

You know it's not something that was like off the wall like huh. I don't understand that one sure

00:35:24

Everything they were telling me about myself was like yeah, I could see that

00:35:27

Yeah, yeah, no, I has me curious

00:35:30

That's for sure because I again

00:35:31

I just did the free one and but still it took a good 20 30 minutes

00:35:36

Yep

00:35:36

I think it was closer to 30 minutes to go through that because you do you have to come up with the story and they even prep you

00:35:41

You're gonna have to come up with three stories ahead of time so

00:35:44

Start writing things down before you get to this

00:35:47

So it's actually longer than that if you started accounting for how much time you had to spend coming up with what these stories are

00:35:53

Yep, do you want to share any of your stories?

00:35:57

I I was trying to use some very practical things

00:36:00

for it

00:36:02

I was thinking back to

00:36:04

Like some things that I because what they wanted to know like what those stories are they're looking for are which

00:36:10

times in your history have you felt the most satisfied with your activity in some form and

00:36:19

One of them that I wrote down was when we did our big worship in the parking lot

00:36:26

event, you know, we were full lockdown at the time and we did a drive-in event

00:36:31

Outside in the parking lot that was also live streamed with big screen and stuff

00:36:38

so I put that down because I

00:36:40

had to pull together

00:36:42

Four different teams and it took a ton of work to do but when it was all said and done

00:36:48

I was in a spot was like yes, we did a solid job like that was one of the more

00:36:54

fulfilling things I've done but I'm a tech

00:36:57

Everybody kept saying oh, that would be so stressful. I was like I could do this for a couple more hours. I'm good like

00:37:03

You know, let's let's just run all of this

00:37:06

super

00:37:08

Complicated technology for multiple hours and try to maintain my focus on five different things at the same time

00:37:13

I'm good for a few hours like that. So

00:37:15

Anyway, that was the main one that I was using for it the three that I used were

00:37:22

Self-publishing my first book. Yeah, I actually included publishing a hundred plus episodes of bookworm

00:37:28

Got it. Yeah, and

00:37:31

running and finishing my first half marathon and

00:37:35

Several actually since then sure um

00:37:38

So those were the three that I used and the three that you pick

00:37:42

They do ask you not just to write the stories but at the end of the assessment you got to rank them

00:37:48

Like which one was the most important to you, which is kind of interesting. That's right. I forgot about that. Yeah, cool

00:37:54

So let's real quickly go through part two here the motivation themes and the different families

00:37:59

Like I said, we're not going to go through all of the different motivations because there are 27 of them

00:38:05

We wouldn't be able to talk about any of them in depth and give them the attention they deserve

00:38:10

Uh, so we'll go through the the families and then our results and maybe talk about the specific ones that we got assigned

00:38:17

That we resonate with sure. Yep

00:38:19

So the first one's the visionary family and some of the common characteristics with this you're motivated to make an impact

00:38:26

According to what's possible or ideal your field to turn ideas into reality

00:38:30

Especially when they're the when you are the only one who thinks it's possible

00:38:33

You're able to spot the potential and your future focused sometimes at the expense of the present

00:38:40

And then at the end of this chapter they've got the summary where you form your collective you pause and clarify take time to dream mind your ideals

00:38:47

Be a supporter not a detractor anything else about the visionary family. I don't know about the visionary

00:38:53

I just want to point out that there's

00:38:55

You know whenever

00:38:57

Todd goes through each of these

00:39:00

Especially with the subsets. So in this case one of those would be

00:39:05

You've got to achieve potential make an impact and experience the ideal

00:39:09

Those are the three like subtypes underneath of this and as he goes through those he'll point out like these are your strengths

00:39:16

But here's the shadow side like this is the stuff behind the scenes. These are the potential downfalls of this

00:39:21

I really really appreciated that that it wasn't just here's what you're good at it's like

00:39:26

Yeah, but that means I suck at this

00:39:29

Yep, he at least points that out and shows, you know

00:39:33

If you're working with someone with this type of motivation, here's what you should do like here's how you help them

00:39:39

So I really appreciated that for sure

00:39:42

But yes, as far as like the achiever or not achiever that's the next one the visionary family

00:39:46

When I was reading through this

00:39:49

I'm not gonna say that I'll wait till later

00:39:52

teaser

00:39:54

I think you just foreshadowed maybe something from your results, but possibly

00:39:59

Possibly because people call me a visionary regularly. So all right. There was a lot in this that I was like oh, that's interesting

00:40:06

Yes, we'll come back to that. Cool. So the next one's the achiever family common characteristics here

00:40:11

Driven to persevere through challenges motivated to overcome obstacles and oppose an enemy

00:40:15

You want to complete tasks even at the expense of eating and sleeping and

00:40:19

Engaged when making progress

00:40:22

And then at the end the summary be aware of your stress level

00:40:25

As you tend to take on too much at once maintain long-term goals work on them patiently

00:40:30

Don't allow your ambition to outpace your experience bring others along as you pursue big

00:40:34

Impressive projects. So the four here meet the challenge

00:40:39

It's what it sounds like there's a challenge that's put before you you want to overcome that

00:40:43

Or you want to meet that like achieve that thing thus the achiever family overcome. That's why I had to change my word there

00:40:50

Overcome is when you have an obstacle that's put in your way and you want to beat that obstacle

00:40:56

So it's similar but not quite the same bring to completion is just that like you have

00:41:00

kind of a mission that's

00:41:03

That you've likely given yourself and you like completing projects

00:41:07

You're not necessarily one who starts them, but you like to complete them

00:41:09

And then advancing is like you you're given something that exists you find something that's off with it and then you go and achieve

00:41:17

Advancing it forward. So all of those can have flavors and like you could easily float from one to the other

00:41:24

That's why he groups these in families. Yep. So just know like there are these very tiny subtleties that he

00:41:31

Points out, but it's easy to move from from one to the other for sure. Cool

00:41:37

The next one is the team player family the common characteristics they derive energy from working with others toward a common goal

00:41:43

They're able to anticipate and meet the needs of others

00:41:45

They're willing to pick up extra work to help the team accomplish its objectives

00:41:49

They want to be part of something bigger than themselves or part of an elite group

00:41:53

And the summary they've got a clear set of personal values that guide your decisions

00:41:57

You monitor your you should monitor your true stress levels

00:42:00

You should be mindful of how the opinions of others might be influencing your mood

00:42:04

And you should shamelessly champion the causes that you believe in. Yeah, and then the four

00:42:08

Themes I guess is what he's calling these inside of that. Uh, the first of those is collaborate

00:42:15

So you really like working with other people just as it sounds like

00:42:19

uh, the second one is make the grade and you're essentially trying to

00:42:23

The way he defines is you're motivated to measure up to and gain acceptance in a group you want to be a member of

00:42:31

The third here is serve you're motivated to identify and fulfill needs requirements

00:42:37

and

00:42:38

expectations

00:42:39

So this is one that I see a lot in

00:42:41

Volunteers at our church that they'll have this particular motivator

00:42:45

Doesn't really matter what you ask them to do just the fact that you've asked them to step up to the plate

00:42:50

They're more than willing to

00:42:52

To do that and then influence behavior

00:42:55

Is exactly what it sounds like you enjoy the process of trying to sway teams or groups from one

00:43:01

Thing to another the way he defines is you're motivated to gain a reaction or response from people that indicates you have influenced their thinking feelings and

00:43:10

Behavior so again, you can kind of see how these can all

00:43:14

Move from one to the other. Yep, they're all they're all related

00:43:18

Uh, next family is the learner family

00:43:22

Uh, these are motivated to explore ask questions and learn new things driven to teach others what they've learned and share new skills

00:43:29

They prefer generalist roles where they can learn new things

00:43:32

They're able to bring a lot of new ideas and energy to projects, especially in the early stages

00:43:36

If you are in the learner family

00:43:39

You should recognize that not everyone is wired like you

00:43:42

You should develop a side project or hobby make a bucket list and consider the application

00:43:48

Of the knowledge that you are getting. Yeah, and then the four

00:43:52

Subthemes under this one not all of them have four but the last couple have had them

00:43:57

a comprehend and express

00:43:59

Your motivation focuses on understanding defining and then communicating your insight so you like to

00:44:05

Figure out how something works and then tell other people what you're doing for it

00:44:10

I run into quite a bit actually with folks

00:44:13

Master

00:44:14

You like to gain complete command of a skill subject procedure technique or process just what it sounds like

00:44:20

You like to become the best at something

00:44:23

Demonstrate new learning. It's very similar to that first one of comprehend and express

00:44:28

But you're motivated to learn how to do something new and show that you can do it. So that one I actually had a hard time

00:44:35

Getting the difference between those two because they seem like they were so on top of each other

00:44:41

But I had a hard time

00:44:43

Figuring out the subtleties there and then the last one is explore

00:44:47

You're driven to explore what is unknown and perhaps mysterious to you

00:44:51

pressing beyond the existing limits of your knowledge and or

00:44:54

Experience so you're just diving into something new right and you hit on one of the problems

00:45:00

I think with this is that maybe the distinctions make sense to them, but they're not abundantly clear

00:45:06

Yeah to to everybody yeah, and I think they try

00:45:10

to explain like how these things differ, but it's

00:45:14

I think unless you know all the details behind how their

00:45:19

Survey works. It would be very difficult to nail down

00:45:22

What those differences actually are yeah, there's a lot of nuance so again

00:45:26

When you're reading through them, it's like okay, you have a lot of the same strengths you have a lot of the same weaknesses

00:45:32

Why are these different? Yep, exactly. I don't know. I I never did figure that particular one out

00:45:37

All right, the next family is the optimizer family

00:45:40

And optimizers to arrive their energy from making things efficient

00:45:44

They want systems and information to be organized

00:45:47

They're focused on getting it right from the beginning rather than fixing it later

00:45:51

And they need to lay firm foundations for future work

00:45:53

They aren't concerned about being known for their contribution

00:45:57

If you are in the optimizer family, then you should learn to recognize when something is an actual problem versus a problem in your own mind

00:46:04

Recognize that others are not necessarily interested in improvement like you are

00:46:08

Practice allowing others to take ownership and to break your work into short-term easy wins

00:46:14

Yeah, this one's got a lot of

00:46:17

Subthemes in it the first of which is organize

00:46:20

I know some people who have this one and I I

00:46:24

How do you do that?

00:46:26

You want to set up and maintain a smooth operate smooth running operation

00:46:31

I think the key here is and maintain

00:46:33

Like that's not necessarily a thing. You're going to just set up and then walk away from them

00:46:38

They like to maintain it make it right

00:46:41

You consistently set up or follow standards procedures and principles that you are that you believe are

00:46:48

Rights, I feel like we see a lot of those in our culture right now

00:46:51

Improve your happiest when you're using your abilities to make things better

00:46:56

this one

00:46:58

kind of

00:47:00

overlaps I think with advance

00:47:02

From the achiever group. So again, like they don't even necessarily follow the family's piece

00:47:07

Make it work your motivation focuses on fixing something that has broken down or is functioning poorly

00:47:15

Develop you're motivated by the process of building and developing from start to finish

00:47:20

and then establish you're motivated to lay secure foundations and become

00:47:26

Established it always bugs me when people use a term to define the term

00:47:30

Yeah, let's call it establish and then say and become established like no no no no no no no no no no you can't do that

00:47:36

Had the same thought

00:47:39

All right, then the last one here is the key contributor family common characteristics here

00:47:45

They want to be the center of the action. They derive energy from being recognized for their contributions

00:47:49

They're driven to show how they're unique from everyone else on the team

00:47:53

They find motivation in growing their influence and ownership of teams and processes

00:47:59

And then the summary here if you are in the key contributor family

00:48:04

You should recognize that your motivation is a gift apply your motivation to help others

00:48:08

Find your core team and recognize that some work just has to be done whether or not you want to do it

00:48:15

Yep

00:48:17

And then again, there are six themes and this one as well so you can get to see how we're talking about sometimes these things overlap

00:48:24

It's partially because there's so many of them. The first of these is evoke recognition

00:48:29

you're motivated to capture the interest and attention of

00:48:32

Others so this would be you know, your typical performers people who like to be on stage

00:48:38

Bring control. You want to be in charge and in control of your own destiny. Hello entrepreneurs

00:48:45

Be unique you sink to distinguish yourself by displaying some talent quality or aspect that is distinctive and special

00:48:53

I feel like that would be like artists. Maybe

00:48:56

Sometimes i'm trying to i'm trying to group people and I probably shouldn't be doing that

00:49:00

Be central you're motivated to be a key person who holds things together and gives them meaning

00:49:06

And or direction so that would be like the person calling the shots in a lot of cases gain ownership

00:49:12

You're motivated to acquire what you want and to exercise ownership or control over

00:49:16

What is yours that when I had odd chime nailing down how that was different than be central

00:49:21

Maybe it depends on if there are people around you

00:49:24

I don't know that when I I kind of struggle with and then the last one here is excel

00:49:28

You want to stand above the rest or at the very least do your absolute best as you seek exceed the performance or expectations

00:49:36

Of those around you so people set expectations for you. You want to beat those

00:49:42

There you go. Yes. So

00:49:44

That is the six different families and the

00:49:49

different motivations

00:49:52

inside each one

00:49:54

There is the assessment which we both took

00:49:57

So let's dive into

00:50:00

Some of the specifics for the ones that are appropriate for us. Okay, uh, do you want to share your results first?

00:50:09

um, I I want to say that

00:50:12

you know whenever I went to take this

00:50:14

that I

00:50:17

Before I took it I had a

00:50:19

Lot of stuff going on so I had read the first 24 pages where they do that first section before they get into these families

00:50:27

And I had read through all of these different motivators and there was like two days

00:50:32

Before I could take the assessment just because so much stuff was going on in life

00:50:37

And I kept like in my mind trying to I even took a note of what I thought some of mine were

00:50:42

And then I took the assessment and it's like complete backwards

00:50:47

from what I expected it to be

00:50:50

So

00:50:53

This is why I'm a bit

00:50:55

I'm a bit dumbfounded right now with this because and i'm not real sure what to do with it

00:50:59

So when it comes to action items here, I don't really know what to do

00:51:02

currently, so maybe i'll figure that out as we go here, but

00:51:07

I I was not expecting what I got from this. I'll say that

00:51:10

Okay

00:51:12

And it starts with

00:51:14

The number one so the free version what they do is they give you your top three

00:51:18

Yep, the full one it gives you all of them ranked correct. Is that how that worked?

00:51:22

It does and it gives you in depth analysis on actually your top five, okay

00:51:27

So all I have on my side is just what those themes are those top three

00:51:33

The top one that I have is collaborate

00:51:37

Interesting

00:51:39

Exactly that was my thought

00:51:41

Wait

00:51:42

I

00:51:43

I've always known or at least thought that I was a very independent person and I always wanted to do things

00:51:50

me

00:51:52

So

00:51:53

As an introvert i'm looking at that and i'm like, okay

00:51:56

What am I supposed to do with that one? So then I

00:52:01

And i'll i'll go over here. I gotta get myself up to that

00:52:04

But I I was flipping through the specifics

00:52:08

behind collaborate

00:52:11

and

00:52:12

Was just kind of walking through okay here are the things that

00:52:15

they're saying are

00:52:18

The positives and here is some of the watchouts

00:52:21

um some of the

00:52:23

So there's three pieces here that like you're really

00:52:26

I shouldn't say you're really good at but they they save for someone with collaborate that you're

00:52:31

They're like your main

00:52:33

Aspects of this and one of those is unable to win unless the group wins

00:52:38

Yeah

00:52:40

eager for acceptance and relationship driven

00:52:42

those are the three themes within that theme and

00:52:47

as I was reading those three this is only about a page worth of

00:52:53

Information on those three so that that's why I say this is a very dense book

00:52:58

Because that whole section is like oh, that's my theme come on

00:53:01

Can you expand on that give me a little more and then i'm like if you gave me a little more this whole book would be 500 pages long

00:53:07

But as I was reading those like well, yeah, I suppose those are all spot-on

00:53:11

Interesting so in the full version what they give you in addition to a longer pdf is

00:53:18

Access to a web portal where they have videos for all of these as well

00:53:23

Okay, and most of the videos are like five to ten minutes

00:53:26

I haven't looked at all of them yet, but they're pretty well done

00:53:29

And it would be cool to get your feedback on those videos because I agree that just based off of what's in the book itself

00:53:37

You get your top three and you're looking at three of the 27 things and it feels like there's not a whole lot of meat there for you sometimes

00:53:44

Right that actually makes me think this book is maybe a sales pitch then it totally is a sales pitch

00:53:48

I went into it thinking this is like the or after when we got to to section two i'm like this is basically strengths finder

00:53:55

Got it, but I feel like the free one

00:53:58

Doesn't give you a whole lot of incentive to really want to upgrade sure sure like with the strengths finder

00:54:06

You get the free one when you buy the book you go through it. It gives you your top strengths

00:54:10

But for those strengths at least they give you a lot more

00:54:14

Description with the free one. It's just literally like this is the thing. Yeah, and then you're left with six pages

00:54:20

Maybe yep, you know in the actual part two of the book

00:54:24

There they're they're describing who you are and it really isn't clear that when you upgrade you're going to get actually a very in-depth

00:54:32

Report with a bunch of additional follow-up steps to help you dial this in and a whole bunch of multimedia

00:54:40

That's going to help you understand it better. Like that's all missing

00:54:43

Yeah, because when I took the free one at the very end they said hey if you want to see all of these ranked

00:54:48

You can upgrade and we'll we'll give you the full and I'm in my head

00:54:52

I'm thinking it was well all I really care about the top so I get one more page with

00:54:56

Rest of the listed in order like that's not worth that to me. So exactly

00:55:02

I don't think they do a very good job of giving you a taste for what is in the full version sure

00:55:07

Yeah, so it's a sales pitch, but a bad one at that. Yeah, kind of

00:55:11

Which is interesting, but I will say like here's okay coming back to collaborate

00:55:15

One of the pieces is this is why I brought this up earlier

00:55:20

The shadow side so the the back side of this is the part where I noticed

00:55:24

this fits

00:55:27

Spot on and I was not prepared for this

00:55:30

But the the sub themes here they find it easy to self-deprecate if you followed me for very long I do this all the time

00:55:37

I'm I'm a constant self-deprecator. I do it frequently

00:55:41

Uh, they can lose their individual identity. It's easy for me to identify with whatever group I'm a part of I do this

00:55:48

constantly

00:55:50

prone to taking on too much

00:55:52

They can judge those who are independent. I don't know that I do this one

00:55:55

A lot, but I I've noticed it internally. I don't think I've externalized that but I I notice it internally

00:56:03

They're reluctant to confront issues or engage in necessary conflict totally

00:56:08

I am opposite of Mike in this. I don't see how that's not me then. Yes

00:56:13

so I

00:56:17

Again, I'm like, okay

00:56:19

When I was going through this in my head, I was thinking okay these three families and these you know rough themes underneath of those

00:56:25

This is kind of what I was thinking and then this comes out at the top

00:56:29

And I'm reading through all of this like yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I

00:56:34

I don't see myself as someone who seeks out teams to be a part of but yeah

00:56:39

Well, that's really the beauty of this assessment if it's working the way it's designed is you probably have never been in a place where that was

00:56:47

like a core motivator

00:56:49

and you've just kind of

00:56:51

Adapted to whatever is there. Yeah, you know and the idea is that you get a look inside yourself and you realize oh

00:56:57

This is the biggest lever I can pull in order to create motivation to show up every day

00:57:02

Yep

00:57:03

So then you go back and you think about how you might be able to redesign aspects of your work. Yeah, no

00:57:08

I'm not really sure how to do that

00:57:11

Because it's like okay

00:57:15

You can only put teams around things for so many

00:57:19

Opportunities so I don't know it's it's got me thinking a lot about like okay. Well

00:57:25

I've got like analog Joe like well, there's kind of a team with the members who are on team analog there

00:57:32

There's bookworm and the folks who are around it like bookworm kind of fits because you and I work together

00:57:37

Yeah on this so it kind of fits in that

00:57:41

grouping

00:57:43

So I get that but I don't know it's so weird so weird

00:57:49

Makes me wonder if that's why I failed at the whole self

00:57:52

Employed thing, but I don't know it could be now also. This is your top motivator

00:57:57

Right so there's two other ones here and one of the points that they make is that

00:58:01

Well, this is the primary one

00:58:04

It's going to be influenced by the others on your list

00:58:08

So basically this is going to come together to

00:58:11

To create a franken motivation

00:58:14

That is uniquely Joe. They're like modifiers

00:58:17

I think is the way they explain it is like you can you're your number two three four or five modify your top

00:58:23

Yep, and and back and forth for sure. Right. What was your number one? My number one is

00:58:31

meet the challenge

00:58:33

So this one

00:58:35

The report that I have says your sense of achievement comes in looking back over a challenge

00:58:40

You've met or a test that you passed you come alive under the pressure a specific demands

00:58:44

You stretch yourself to succeed in the face of tight deadlines problems competitive situations or tests of skill understanding or endurance

00:58:49

You may set the challenge yourself and may come to you as an assignment

00:58:53

It might arise in the course of activities on the job

00:58:56

Regardless of the source you enjoy focusing your energies and abilities on meeting the demands of the challenge the challenge makes upon you

00:59:02

Being involved from the time the challenge first arises down to the moment

00:59:06

It is finally conquered is important to you as you leave each demand or difficulty behind you

00:59:10

You feel stimulated to press on you must however

00:59:13

Have a sense that you are making continuing progress toward the goal

00:59:17

Getting sidetracked by unrelated matters or thrown off by a change in plans or assignments is likely to annoy you

00:59:23

Yep, that was pretty accurate

00:59:26

This is why mike pushes me so hard to make sure we've got a schedule and that we're on time and

00:59:34

All the things

00:59:36

Maybe this is why bookworm continues because you've got this drive and I want to be a team player so

00:59:44

Yeah, maybe one of the shadow sides of this and actually

00:59:51

I don't know if you want to keep going back and forth, but a lot of mine are linked and the common theme with these

00:59:59

is

01:00:01

the

01:00:02

Tendency to put yourself in a position of stress

01:00:05

So like one of the shadow side attributes here, you know

01:00:09

Putting things off to the last minute waiting till the pressure builds up needing that pressure and risk to create a challenge

01:00:14

Adrenaline rush pushing yourself too far beyond your existing abilities and skill level living with a high degree of stress by constantly taking on fresh challenges

01:00:22

That's all great in moderation

01:00:25

But it can also get me in trouble and i've definitely been there sure don't do that

01:00:31

Right

01:00:33

Like I tell my kids don't do that it hurts

01:00:35

When they stub their toe or whatever

01:00:38

Yeah, apparently I need a little bit of pain in order to get going so

01:00:42

All right. Yeah, so there we are all inflicts pain on you in the future. My number two was be central

01:00:48

and

01:00:50

I thought this was interesting given number one is collaborate so being a team player it comes from the team player

01:00:56

family

01:00:58

And number two is be central which is coming from the key contributor

01:01:01

Family and if I look at the be central themes

01:01:07

Uh, it's excited to be close to the action

01:01:09

Which totally makes sense when you think about me running events

01:01:14

like i'm

01:01:16

The one that I want to play tech producer and I want to be the one who's keeping an eye on what's the video team doing?

01:01:22

What's the slide team doing? What's the sound team doing is the

01:01:25

My executive pastor on stage when they're supposed to be band supposed to be coming off on the side like I like to manage all of that

01:01:31

I don't know why it's just the way i'm wired. So I like to be close to the action. I like to be called upon first

01:01:38

uh

01:01:39

Power hungry

01:01:41

That one

01:01:43

fitting maybe

01:01:44

critical to the success of the team

01:01:46

But here's here's the flip side of it this shadow side they can easily burn out or over extend themselves

01:01:52

So combine that with the collaborate one where you have a tendency to take on too much

01:01:57

Yeah, that's you know fitting

01:01:59

They must be asked or called upon before taking action, which is so true. I tend to not just go do something unless

01:02:06

There's someone needing help in some form or there's something that I need to

01:02:12

contribute in that case

01:02:15

Uh, they seek reinforcement of their values. I don't really resonate with that one specifically

01:02:20

I'm not really sure that one applies, but it's it's interesting nonetheless

01:02:24

So again, I think this is you know if you you talk about the modifier piece

01:02:29

If being central ties into that team player it makes me think okay

01:02:33

Well, I need teams around me and I want to be the one who ties them all together

01:02:37

Just kind of where i'm sitting

01:02:39

Right now. So sure I don't know it's it's again. This is not one I expected

01:02:44

I'm gonna I'm gonna

01:02:47

Talk about the ones I expected

01:02:49

And I'm bad. All right, but that is not

01:02:52

It was not on my radar at all neither one of these collaborate or be central

01:02:57

Wasn't on my radar at all. I thought those were towards the bottom of the list

01:03:01

So when I took the results and they came up

01:03:04

I sat there and stared at it for a while and I debated retaking the test because I thought they'd send it to me wrong

01:03:10

That's that's how far off I thought this was

01:03:13

Did you have becky read the sections that you got back? I haven't yet. No, I

01:03:19

I I haven't processed it well enough. I think for that

01:03:22

So I had Rachel do that last night and uh

01:03:26

Basically that was a verification for me because she's reading through it. She's like, uh-huh. Uh-huh. I get it

01:03:31

Interesting like okay. I guess those are accurate then sometimes you you can't judge yourself very well

01:03:38

But others who know you pretty well can yeah can verify no, that's a that's a solid thought because I I have it

01:03:45

Again, I'm still trying to process it, which is weird. I'm a super fast processor

01:03:50

With stuff like this. I mean how many times have we talked about I tend to not figure out what I'm going to say at the beginning of bookworm

01:03:57

Until you've said three two one and then the thought crosses my mind in that moment. So that's just how I operate

01:04:03

Uh

01:04:05

So for me to be a bit and then and this was I took the test

01:04:09

About a week ago

01:04:12

Now and I still am like trying to like this past week. I've been trying to pay attention to my interactions at work

01:04:18

Try to okay

01:04:21

How does this all apply and I haven't really found anything that refutes it. Yeah, which is the weird part

01:04:27

I've found a lot of things that confirm it

01:04:30

And I don't know it's so weird so kudos on Todd Henry here

01:04:36

Well, I can tell you you are a central collaborator for bookworm

01:04:42

I

01:04:44

Linux machine for the win

01:04:46

All right, my second one is

01:04:50

Experience the ideal. So the first one is from the achiever family

01:04:56

This one is actually from the visionary family

01:05:00

And my report says you're motivated to give concrete expression to certain concepts visions or values that are important to you

01:05:07

You want to live out your ideas and ideals and to measure up to a self-image or role you adopt or are cast in

01:05:12

These intangibles take a variety of forms. Perhaps your political beliefs moral spiritual values philosophical outlook or your attitudes towards work

01:05:19

Are what you seek to live out with intensity and purpose

01:05:21

It's likely that your lifestyle occupation in place of residence to people with whom you want to associate and the nature of your relationships with others

01:05:29

Reflect these concepts

01:05:31

In general you want your life to reflect as closely as possible to the way you think it should be lived and your actions to reflect

01:05:37

The kind of person you think you ought to be

01:05:39

The process of striving to realize these ideals may be what gives you satisfaction and pleasure

01:05:43

It is important for you to concentrate on functioning in a role assignment or responsibility that involves you in a process of transforming

01:05:50

What is intangible or abstract into some concrete form or expression?

01:05:55

Again, I feel like this is very accurate

01:05:57

This is spot on

01:06:02

Yep, yep

01:06:05

Some of the shadow sides here

01:06:07

Idealism or romanticism leading to frequent disappointments

01:06:12

Yep

01:06:15

I can't even tell you how many times it's like I get so frustrated with stuff because I see in my head the way things should be

01:06:22

And then I'm like, no one else gets this why right?

01:06:24

I gotta say something. No one sees it. I got a guy. I gotta say something

01:06:30

Yeah, exactly

01:06:32

Driving concept or idea may not be grounded in practical reality

01:06:35

I don't know about this one. I guess you could probably look at me and identify that in specific ways

01:06:40

But I maybe this is a part of the definition of who this is but like I don't feel

01:06:45

Any of the things I chase are like way out there pie in the sky type stuff. Yeah, but again, this is

01:06:52

Identify this is where that whole modifier thing comes in. Yep. So it's okay. The others

01:06:58

Like the top one I feel like generally you're going to resonate with absolutely every detail of it would be my guess

01:07:04

Yeah

01:07:05

And then as you go down you tend to resonate with like 80% of it and there's parts of it that aren't quite there

01:07:11

So I sure I think that's part of what's going on. Yeah, that makes sense

01:07:15

The other part here only wanting to work on their own ideas and assure that they are right

01:07:20

Specifically the ensuring they are right. Yeah, absolutely

01:07:23

Yep, so that is

01:07:26

Experience the ideal that one can get messy sometimes. I feel like oh totally

01:07:31

Especially if you're not in a position where you are expected to be a visionary sure

01:07:38

Yeah, I think a lot of people

01:07:41

Who are running an organization?

01:07:44

Maybe they feel the responsibility to be a visionary

01:07:49

So reading this I can see how I can be a threat to certain people certain situations

01:07:55

By acting on my visionary tendencies, right?

01:07:58

Yeah, I feel like that one fits you pretty well though. Like just having worked with you for a few years on bookworm

01:08:05

it

01:08:07

It makes sense. I'll say that. Yeah, but in our case, I don't feel like any of the negative side has come out

01:08:13

I don't know if that's because of where I land on this

01:08:17

Wanting to make sure things work and I'm totally open to it. I don't know. Yeah, that could be

01:08:22

I'll say this the visionary family. I thought I was going to have

01:08:24

One or two out of that category because I tend to do a lot of the

01:08:28

Things that they mention coming up with ideas trying to figure out what the ideal is going to be and what's the absolute best way to run

01:08:36

Whatever like that's a lot of what I was expecting

01:08:41

Um, so on that topic real quickly. Yeah, I uh read a gap book a while back called

01:08:47

rocket fuel

01:08:48

um, which is by the

01:08:50

EOS guys

01:08:54

And they talk about like the best companies have a visionary and an integrator

01:09:00

They call it. Okay

01:09:02

And I for a long time thought that I am the integrator

01:09:06

I need to find my visionary and like find the right team and plug into that role

01:09:13

And so when I got this back and I have this my second motivation is in the visionary family. I'm like, yep

01:09:19

Huh

01:09:21

Now what do I do?

01:09:22

Well, it wasn't even like now. What do I do? But I recognize from reading this

01:09:26

um

01:09:28

And again, like you can take it with a grain of salt whether you really put stock in it or not

01:09:31

But my reaction when I read that is like, oh, I have been trying to suppress this

01:09:37

And I should not do that anymore. Yeah

01:09:42

That's that's a really good way to say that because

01:09:44

Collaborate and be central I feel like those two like what they are as far as like fitting in team settings

01:09:52

Forever. I've said that I'm I like to go my own like I like to be able to control

01:09:59

Everything around how I operate and what I'm doing

01:10:03

Which is why I went down the self-employed route for so long

01:10:07

I've said that for years and years and years and years

01:10:11

and

01:10:13

Seeing how this is coming up. It makes me think that maybe I've known this somewhat

01:10:19

I've just been suppressing it unnote like unwittingly and

01:10:23

This is I think why I'm a bit like okay

01:10:27

Coming to grips with it

01:10:31

Which is interesting because at the very beginning of the book

01:10:34

Todd henry talks about when he was first introduced to this M code this motivation code as they're

01:10:39

as they refer to this

01:10:41

and how

01:10:43

When he first took it and they walked him through it

01:10:45

It was like all sorts of light bulbs started going off

01:10:48

and

01:10:49

He does mention in this that

01:10:52

They're used to books being the type of thing like people read them

01:10:55

And it's like oh this changed my life and then they read the next thing

01:10:58

It's like oh this one changed my life and then they read it

01:11:00

Oh that one changed my life and it's like I know that I tend to be prone to that

01:11:05

sometimes

01:11:06

But

01:11:07

As we're going through this my my tendency is to say like this is got it nailed

01:11:12

But now I'm hesitant to say that it's like okay. How is this gonna work long term?

01:11:16

Is this just an initial reaction? I don't know I have

01:11:19

This is one of those is like it's kind of messed with me a little bit

01:11:22

And I'm not used to that with these books anymore. Usually it's like okay

01:11:26

Well, this fits into that paradigm or this is where I think they're off or this is how that one fits

01:11:30

This one I feel like is a bit jarring

01:11:32

In that so it is especially my third one

01:11:36

Okay, which is what?

01:11:38

Overcome what it says your motivation focuses on overcoming and winning out over difficulties

01:11:44

It's advantages or opposition

01:11:46

Determination persistence and a competitive spirit tend to be among your natural traits

01:11:50

You enjoy exerting a sustained all-out effort to prevail over problems difficulties obstacles handicaps or adversaries

01:11:56

Your narrative may feature achievements like getting your degree while working full time and supporting a family despite a painful injury

01:12:02

You might gut it out and perform well in an athletic contest both of those things have happened

01:12:06

You

01:12:08

Might strive to handle demanding job responsibilities despite a lack of experience inadequate skill or educational background

01:12:14

Perhaps there's a story where you're work to prove the validity of an idea or plan of yours that others have scoffed at

01:12:19

You may have polytic heavily to overcome opposition to one of your proposals in any case

01:12:23

You're motivated to struggle with the forces and factors working against you until you win out over them

01:12:27

Now this one is interesting it complements the first one that I shared

01:12:31

Which was the meet the challenge in the meet the challenge section

01:12:35

They always have a in each one of these sections. They have a story about somebody

01:12:39

In this particular one they talk about will Smith and how he's going to die on the treadmill

01:12:45

And he basically says, you know, we're gonna get on a treadmill and one of two things is gonna happen

01:12:52

You're gonna get off first or I'm gonna die

01:12:54

So overcome kind of fits that too. Uh, some of the shadow side stuff here

01:13:01

Always finding something else to overcome. You're not content with routine activities of the mundane

01:13:05

You have a high level stress and pressure, which is often present in your life strongly competitive creating difficulties when none are present

01:13:11

It's almost like you have to manufacture

01:13:13

An enemy to to overcome

01:13:16

Uh, so this one and meet the challenge

01:13:18

both have

01:13:21

Aspects of like be careful. You like to work with a lot of stress. Yeah, so the big takeaway from having Rachel go through this is like

01:13:27

Uh her reaction when she got done is like wow, okay

01:13:31

So you kind of are gonna naturally seek out this stress. So how can I help you with this?

01:13:36

Yes, which was not the intention, you know, I'm not giving it to her be like, hey, this is all you need to help me

01:13:41

You know, right, but she read this and she's like, oh, I get why you keep ending up in those situations now

01:13:46

Because you're seeking part of this is like, yeah, part of it is like I got to recognize that take some responsibility and avoid that stuff where possible

01:13:56

But also I think there's some validity and just recognizing that like this is who I am

01:14:01

So that stuff's gonna be stressful

01:14:04

So what can I do?

01:14:07

And with the other things I'm involved in especially like home. How do I make that not stressful?

01:14:11

Yeah, or at least as the least amount of stress is possible given that we've got five kids that were homeschool

01:14:17

That's not stressful. Not at all

01:14:21

Though in today's culture, it's probably less stressful than it could be

01:14:27

Or would be yeah, yeah

01:14:29

Well, I don't know. I think this is interesting. Okay. Let me give you my third because there's

01:14:34

some fascinating

01:14:36

overlaps which may explain some of bookworms longevity

01:14:40

My my third one here is demonstrate new learning

01:14:44

Now this one I I got right away. So when I was posing my original three

01:14:53

This was one that I thought was way up there now at least from the learner

01:14:57

Group but demonstrate new learning quick learner which

01:15:02

yeah, uh a generalist

01:15:05

which

01:15:08

The way they're using this term and the way they explain it it would probably fit into

01:15:11

the uh

01:15:14

realm of multi potentialite to use that term from

01:15:17

You know a different book

01:15:20

Strong synthesizer very good at like determining what other people are saying without them saying it

01:15:25

the

01:15:27

The flip side of this they find it difficult to commit to a career

01:15:31

They're a jack of all trades and master of none. They come across as a know-it-all

01:15:37

Do I come across as a know-it-all? I hope not

01:15:40

They want to appear competent even when they aren't that one. I definitely try to do it

01:15:45

and shouldn't

01:15:48

so

01:15:50

This one's very obvious to me because

01:15:52

I will dive in head first on something brand new

01:15:56

Figure out how it all works

01:15:57

And then I want to go on to the next thing and I'm done with it

01:16:00

And I do this over and over and over again

01:16:02

You see this from me regularly if you followed me for three seconds online. So

01:16:06

That's you know you start putting these together

01:16:09

And this is what I was talking about earlier

01:16:12

collaborate from the team player grouping

01:16:15

Be central as a key contributor demonstrate new learning from the learner category

01:16:20

combine that with your side of things Mike

01:16:23

From you get two of them from the achiever group meet the challenge

01:16:27

The visionary side experiencing the ideal and overcoming yep

01:16:32

Between the two of us. We've got a pretty good collection across these families

01:16:37

Yeah, the only one we don't have is optimizer. So we need to find an optimizer

01:16:42

Is that what you're saying to find an optimizer and then we'll be golden

01:16:45

Now regarding your demonstrate new learning one

01:16:49

This when I read that in the descriptions

01:16:52

I obviously thought of how to be everything by Emily Wopnik and the definition of a multi potential light

01:16:58

And I was a little bit offended. I didn't get this one to be

01:17:01

Because you felt like you resonated when I read it. I'm like, oh, that's totally me. Yep. Yeah, and then no

01:17:11

so

01:17:12

the three that I thought I was going to be

01:17:14

the first

01:17:17

was

01:17:18

Experience the ideal

01:17:20

I thought that was one that I was going to be just because I have a tendency to come up

01:17:25

What is the best case scenario for things?

01:17:27

Like what is the ultimate most effective most efficient way

01:17:31

for things to

01:17:33

To run like that is something I feel like I do a lot

01:17:38

But it it didn't make the list at all demonstrate new learning was there

01:17:44

like I really thought that was one that I was

01:17:46

uh

01:17:48

Going to fit into I didn't pick that specific one. I picked the comprehend and express

01:17:52

but again, I think that those two that's why I struggled like I feel like they were very

01:17:58

Similar

01:18:00

To each other the other one that I had written down was organized

01:18:03

from the optimizer grouping

01:18:07

which wasn't on the radar either

01:18:09

And that was because I have a tendency to want to put things in their place and make sure they have a place and stuff

01:18:15

But as I've thought about it, it's like, okay

01:18:18

I like to make sure that things have a place

01:18:20

But if you were to look at my desk, you would see that I am not one who keeps them there

01:18:25

Everything it has a place sure it's just not there

01:18:29

So I don't think that actually fits in my head. That's where I land

01:18:35

But that's not it at all and this is why I think this is

01:18:38

again, this is either

01:18:41

Genius and it's spot on and this is something we need to put a lot of weight on

01:18:45

or it's way off

01:18:48

And I don't think it's the latter of those

01:18:51

so I

01:18:54

Again, this is why I'm still processing on this which is weird

01:18:57

Because again, this is like I'm instant when it comes to processing things like this. So yeah

01:19:05

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know

01:19:07

Thoughts?

01:19:07

I

01:19:08

I didn't have like a three that I thought I was gonna be

01:19:11

but I did expect

01:19:14

The demonstrate new learning to show up because that's basically what bookworm is

01:19:18

It's like you'll learn something. Yeah, you talk about it and you solidify it in your brain

01:19:23

Yep

01:19:24

I was a little bit shocked that I didn't get really anything from those families

01:19:29

I do think it'd be interesting

01:19:33

to see how

01:19:35

And I understand why they're saying just look at the top three

01:19:38

But I'm sure that there is some sort of influence with all of these

01:19:43

In the full version they give you your scores for

01:19:46

all of the different themes

01:19:48

And what's interesting about this is that like I start with meet the challenge and I average like a 10 score on that

01:19:55

Experience the ideal 9.3 overcome 9.2

01:19:59

Be unique is 9.2 also bring a completion is 9.0

01:20:03

Uh, the lowest one

01:20:06

Is influence behavior at 6.4 where I actually registered a rating

01:20:10

And then make the grade

01:20:12

Is zero

01:20:14

So I think that that might be more telling than any of the other stuff is like I don't really care what people think

01:20:23

I am not trying to seek anybody's approval

01:20:29

I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do

01:20:31

So I think there's a lot of insight to be gained from this but yeah, you have me intrigued on the full one at this point

01:20:38

but

01:20:39

I

01:20:40

I'm having a hard time getting my head around these

01:20:42

Top three just by itself. So that's the one that I'm I'm still like okay

01:20:49

Like just that piece is one that I'm

01:20:52

Processing so seeing the rest of it I feel like would maybe either clarify it or muddy it

01:20:58

One of the two not real sure but it depends what you want to do with this

01:21:02

You know if your reaction is

01:21:05

Maybe there's something here and I want to understand it better. I'd say spend the 50 bucks watch the videos get the full report

01:21:13

Uh, there's also with the full report. They give you the end up analysis of your top motivations

01:21:20

They give you a development plan

01:21:24

Which I'll just go through this real quickly. There's a couple different exercises

01:21:28

So the first one they say own your motivation code and what you're supposed to do is take this report

01:21:35

And highlight in green

01:21:37

Everything that accurately describes your actions and motivations

01:21:40

Highlight and yellow anything that moderately resonates with you and highlight in red all the things that don't apply to you at all

01:21:48

Okay

01:21:49

So I haven't done that but I can see how going through that you might see. Oh, yeah, there's actually a bunch of green here

01:21:55

So while I initially thought this was a bunch of hooey

01:21:58

Actually, not I think about this a little more. Maybe there's something here sure

01:22:03

And then they say to create your motivation statement. This is kind of getting into part three

01:22:09

Um, so I don't know if we want to talk about yeah, no, that's fine

01:22:12

Okay, I'm totally game to go there because part three is actually where my one action item comes from having gone through the full assessment

01:22:18

And that is to create your motivation statement

01:22:21

and this is

01:22:23

Basically like you're filling in some blanks and it's a little bit more involved in the actual report in the book

01:22:29

It's just a couple of blanks that you're filling in in the report you identify your top three motivations

01:22:34

The words that resonate from exercise one where you highlighted things

01:22:37

And then you create your own integrated motivation statement. I'm fundamentally motivated to blank as I blank and blank

01:22:47

All right, and this is all kind of formatted pretty nicely and then you identify your motivational energy

01:22:53

Where you write down activities or how you motivated to do

01:22:56

And then you go back to your profile and shows your themes and then in column two

01:23:02

You kind of write down the themes that correspond to the things that you like doing in both energizing and draining activities. Does that make sense?

01:23:08

Yeah, yeah, it does

01:23:10

Okay

01:23:10

And then the last exercise is to identify the shadow side where you got your motivations

01:23:16

And then what are the issues that you faced associated with these motivations?

01:23:19

We kind of talked through a bunch of those already like for me a big one is stress

01:23:22

Okay, but this is where you would codify that stuff

01:23:25

So there's a lot of really cool stuff

01:23:27

I think that you can use this stuff to a lot of insights you can glean from following through and doing this all the way

01:23:33

Um, but I also can see people doing that and being like well, that was a waste of time

01:23:40

Yeah

01:23:42

You know going through this last part here

01:23:44

Essentially what you're trying to do is put together a plan

01:23:49

Yep for what to do about it

01:23:52

Which is spot-on. It's exactly what they should be saying here

01:23:56

And one of the pieces I noticed you wrote this in the outline. I wanted to bring this up as well

01:24:01

But they were they talk about the differences between clean

01:24:04

and dirty fuel motivation fuel and

01:24:09

The way that they explain this is you know, if you if you think about dirty fuels like coal or wood even

01:24:16

When you burn them you're left with ash or soot

01:24:19

That's a dirty fuel

01:24:22

in the same way

01:24:25

You have dirty motivation fuel

01:24:28

Basically if you're using a motivator that's not in your top

01:24:33

grouping of motivators

01:24:36

Say some people are motivated by finances and that's fine

01:24:39

Say it's a challenge that they are there to meet and they want to achieve those finances

01:24:44

You know, they they may be driven by that. That's not me. So that particular

01:24:49

Motivator is a dirty motivating fuel because it leaves behind it

01:24:54

anger resentment frustration

01:24:57

disengagement it's going to leave a lot of these negatives

01:25:01

behind it if you have the wrong motivator

01:25:04

But if you nail it if you have a clean

01:25:07

motivation fuel the byproduct of that would be passion

01:25:11

In this case where you're just absolutely on fire for the thing you're doing

01:25:16

so

01:25:17

That was maybe the gal I talked to doing my covet test

01:25:20

Okay, let's tone it down a bit. You're overwhelming me here. So maybe that's the add. I just can't handle that

01:25:28

so

01:25:29

You know, that's that's another thing too. So

01:25:31

That's that was a piece that acts like okay. That makes a lot of sense

01:25:35

The way that they explain that so I think that was a really good analogy that they put together there at the end

01:25:40

So I was grateful for that. It kind of gave me a clean way of thinking this no pun intended

01:25:45

That's interesting. I got something a little bit different from the clean and dirty stuff

01:25:49

But maybe that's just linked to my motivations because remember I'm meeting the challenge and I'm overcoming

01:25:54

All right

01:25:56

So I'm just trying to learn something new the stuff that I jotted down from this section

01:26:00

He talks about how all fuels have byproducts and there is this thing called an against

01:26:06

Motivation which is probably very naturally inclined to a couple of mine

01:26:11

Where it's like me against the world. Yeah, and I'm gonna show them wrong

01:26:15

You know, they said I couldn't do this thing and for that reason alone

01:26:19

I'm going to kill myself for the next 10 years so that I can show up one day and say ha I did it

01:26:25

You know a great example of this

01:26:27

Have you ever watched

01:26:29

Michael Jordan's hall of fame acceptance speech

01:26:32

No, but I've heard about it

01:26:34

It is so bitter and he basically kept tabs on

01:26:39

Everybody that he ever felt slighted by and he like called them all out in his hall of fame speech

01:26:46

It's like really uncomfortable to watch

01:26:49

But that's the picture that I had in my mind as he's talking about this against motivation and the negative

01:26:56

Emotional byproducts that come with that because you watch something like that and you're just like what a sad bitter old man

01:27:01

Yeah, yeah, right and I don't want to be that guy

01:27:05

So the big takeaway for me is to work for something not against something right and the idea of passion here

01:27:13

This is this is coming from the previous book that I had read by Todd Henry, which is die empty which I really really enjoyed

01:27:20

that book he talks about

01:27:23

The word passion coming from the latin word petit and it literally means to suffer

01:27:29

So following your passion really doesn't mean

01:27:34

Do what you love it means?

01:27:37

What are you willing to suffer to see come about because you care about it so much

01:27:41

And he even says in this book that following your suffering doesn't have the same ring as following your passion

01:27:49

But that's really what it is and that's why you make a motivation

01:27:53

Statement because you identify what you are really passionate about what you're willing to go through some difficulty and

01:28:00

Overcome some things not just because that's who you are

01:28:03

Motivated though now that I have taken this I see like where my my perspective on this whole idea of passion

01:28:10

Like why that really resonates with me?

01:28:12

But I think with all of these motivations regardless of where you you land this is an important

01:28:19

aspect here is that

01:28:20

It's not just going to be fun all the time and the motivation is going to kick in when you have that connection to

01:28:27

Where you really want to be and why this is really important to you and where you're going to end up

01:28:32

What you're going to get out of this whether that is you know you've

01:28:36

Past the finish line and you finish the thing or just you had a really great time collaborating with somebody

01:28:42

I don't know not trying to pick on your motivations. No go for it

01:28:45

But I think like if you are

01:28:48

Solidly one of these it can be difficult to understand where other people are coming from

01:28:53

Which is why like as you go through these sections and he talks about how do you work with somebody who falls in these categories?

01:28:57

That is absolute gold

01:29:00

Yeah, because you're not going to just always know the best way to do something based on how you're wired

01:29:06

And you can't just say like well work my way even if you are the boss

01:29:10

Yeah, and that honestly this is a thing

01:29:14

you know, I

01:29:16

This isn't going to qualify as an action. I'm I think for bookworm

01:29:19

But my intention is to at least glance through that part for yours. Sure

01:29:23

Just so I can figure out okay

01:29:27

Mike wants to meet the challenge. Do I need to give him challenges? I don't know

01:29:30

Like what does that mean?

01:29:32

So, you know, I maybe that improves our working relationship

01:29:36

I don't know, but that's at least a thing that I wanted to

01:29:39

Consider it is definitely a thing. I've debated having my wife take this

01:29:44

Quiz just to see

01:29:46

You know, where does she land on this and then we could have this conversation, but she doesn't like taking quizzes like this

01:29:51

Just let me go do my thing

01:29:53

She totally should Rachel took it. I don't forget what three she had, but they were very different again

01:29:58

Yeah, so apparently I seek out people who are not like me at all

01:30:02

Maybe that's why Rachel and I get along

01:30:06

That could be that could be

01:30:08

interestingly

01:30:10

I think there is

01:30:13

There is a place for this type of assessment where you have two people take it

01:30:18

And then you draw insights from those results and how they compare

01:30:22

Yeah, uh, we did that with the Colby

01:30:25

There is like a relationship version of the Colby assessment where you identify

01:30:30

that

01:30:32

Someone's a high follow through someone's a high quick start. So

01:30:36

Where are the points in your relationship?

01:30:39

Where that's going to produce friction and how do you kind of maximize your strengths working together?

01:30:45

Yeah

01:30:46

And that report when we took it was it's called the take two assessment

01:30:50

I'll put a link to that in the uh, the show notes, okay, but um

01:30:53

That one was really interesting to go through and it was just as in depth as this 22 page thing that I got for going through the the 50 dollar

01:31:02

One here

01:31:04

So I think that would be fascinating if they do develop this in the future to add an aspect of like, okay

01:31:09

So I'm this and someone else is this how do we reconcile it? Yeah, that's true

01:31:13

But I feel like that'd be a whole nother book

01:31:15

It could be like again. This is dense. So yeah when I got done with this, you know, I looked at the research

01:31:22

I looked at what they what they got with the full version

01:31:24

I feel like they're just on the tip of the iceberg with this

01:31:28

And that's why I said at the beginning, you know

01:31:31

Maybe this turns into something like the strengths finder and this is a common thing because I think it totally could be that

01:31:37

I think understanding your motivation. That's kind of unique in that whole area of like self assessment

01:31:42

but

01:31:44

Definitely very there's a lot of potential value there

01:31:48

But I also feel like this is

01:31:51

Still in the beginning stages and it's got to grow up a bit before we understand what's what this is really going to be

01:31:57

at the same time

01:31:59

I'm still jarred by it and still

01:32:01

Having a hard time refuting it

01:32:05

I've legit tried because

01:32:07

I don't think of myself as a team player

01:32:10

So the fact that that comes out number one

01:32:13

I'm going to find how this is wrong when I first saw that I'm going like i'm going to read through this and I am going to point out

01:32:19

All the reasons this is wrong

01:32:21

I was even I even in my drafts note that I quick took for it and then ended up in my notebook. I

01:32:26

had written

01:32:29

It's off

01:32:30

colon and started number one and I was ready to type the next thing is like okay. Here's why it's off

01:32:35

And it's still blank so

01:32:39

I never I haven't come up with anything. I'm trying but I haven't come up with it. No

01:32:46

That's great

01:32:49

Well, that's basically the book should talk about action items. Yep

01:32:53

Uh, the only one I've got here is to create the motivation statement

01:32:57

But actually I'm going to modify that to go through the four exercises that are in the full version of my report

01:33:05

So that's part of those four exercises

01:33:07

But I will report back on all of them if you want me to or I can just share my motivation statement like they talk about

01:33:14

On a page. What is that?

01:33:16

222 I think

01:33:20

Is where they they have that one sure so I wrote it down in my mind node file my giant giant mind node file

01:33:28

Is this the biggest one you've done? No principles was the biggest all that's right that one was massive

01:33:33

Principles broke my node because I kept attaching images and ended up like a gigabyte in size

01:33:38

World's largest mind node file

01:33:42

Exactly. I do think now that you've shared yours

01:33:45

I am going to go back and look at those sections too and just kind of figure out

01:33:50

How do I work with joe better?

01:33:53

Not that there's even like issues. I think you like you said there's a lot of synergy between our motivation styles

01:33:58

Which interestingly by the way, there doesn't necessarily have to be with different styles

01:34:03

So like if you prefer to work with people I prefer to be left alone. Yep those aren't necessarily going to complement each other

01:34:10

Right, right, but I feel like with bookworm it kind of does

01:34:13

You're right with that and part of that I think is just because we're not like it's not a full time

01:34:18

Yep, true. It's a it's a part-time thing. So

01:34:22

I think there's maybe some component of that there

01:34:25

um

01:34:27

I don't know it's it's interesting. So as far as action items go

01:34:31

I don't have anything written down

01:34:33

And it's because I'm not sure what to do with it yet

01:34:36

And again, I've said this a few times like I'm in this weird spot where I'm used to processing things very quickly

01:34:43

but this one has thrown me off and I think it's because

01:34:46

I've got a probably a decade worth of

01:34:51

Thinking headed down one direction that this is flipping on its head

01:34:56

And it's that's why I'm a bit like what so I'm trying to like potentially reverse

01:35:02

Multiple years of thinking here

01:35:05

But I'm not sure I should be

01:35:08

so

01:35:10

Again, I'm not gonna put this as an action item, but I think I'm just gonna discuss this with my wife

01:35:14

Talk through this with Becky and

01:35:17

See

01:35:19

You know

01:35:20

If she agrees with these things then

01:35:22

I'm likely to put a lot more weight on it. Yeah, and that may tell me

01:35:27

What I should be doing

01:35:30

I've been tweaking who's doing what in my current role to alleviate me from some tasks to help me move over to others

01:35:37

Like there's a bit of a transition going on right now

01:35:39

so it would be good timing

01:35:42

in that sense so

01:35:45

I need to I need to talk through this one, which is

01:35:48

Not something I'm used to having to say sure so

01:35:51

Again, this one's weird to me

01:35:55

Which is gonna get even harder if we're gonna rate this thing so you go first

01:35:59

I'm I don't have to go first on this you go

01:36:02

Okay, this is so hard because again, this is not a bookworm style book

01:36:09

I would not ever pick

01:36:12

Strengths finder for bookworm, but that's basically what I did

01:36:16

Yep, I'm picking this on my proud of you

01:36:19

So I have to differentiate between the book

01:36:24

from the bookworm perspective and the assessment

01:36:28

And I feel the assessment and what you can glean from going through that

01:36:33

Is pretty cool. I

01:36:36

Am glad that I paid the $50 for the the big one. I

01:36:40

wasn't really that impressed with the

01:36:44

Free one, but I feel a lot better about the whole message that they're communicating

01:36:50

By looking at the full product that they're trying to ultimately point people to

01:36:55

so

01:36:57

Assessment 5.0, but now let's talk about the book

01:37:01

All right, the book it's hard

01:37:05

Because I like the assessment

01:37:08

To to say anything negative about the book

01:37:10

But I really didn't enjoy it as a book very much

01:37:14

I was expecting a lot of talk about

01:37:19

motivation the concept and that was just

01:37:24

The first chapter basically the next chapter they were on to explaining the assessment

01:37:31

At that point in the book. I felt very duped to be honest. Sure

01:37:35

So then here's here's a question then

01:37:40

Because the book is so dependent on the assessment. Can you rate the book without the assessment?

01:37:46

That's what I am attempting to do. Yeah, should you that's the question. I don't know

01:37:51

That's the hard part here

01:37:54

It's like rating strengths finder without having taken the test like how do you do that?

01:37:58

It's true, but with strengths finder

01:38:00

Even with that I would say take the assessment pay the money

01:38:05

Don't even bother with the book other than to get the code to take the the test sure

01:38:10

Yeah, there is no code to take the test

01:38:13

You can go to motivation code.com/free and take the free version of this test

01:38:18

There is no reason

01:38:20

For you to go back and read this book

01:38:22

What you are left with if you take the free version of the assessment is your top three motivations

01:38:27

Which you can then go back and read those 10 pages and get limited value from that

01:38:33

Okay, I don't think any of the 27 sections that they talk about here

01:38:37

Really jump out to you the way that the full assessment results do

01:38:43

So even if you did that you're not really getting the full picture

01:38:49

And so with that like why even bother

01:38:53

Sure. Yeah, I don't need more homework to do. I'm not trying to remember all 27 of these motivations

01:39:01

So if you're like cranking through a book like we do in bookworm

01:39:04

Yep, you get to the end especially if you're taking notes like I did in a mine of file

01:39:08

And you're like that was exhausting and kind of pointless

01:39:12

From a bookworm perspective the parts I really enjoyed

01:39:17

Chapter one and then the section always talking about passion at the end

01:39:20

But again, like that's not new I read that in the previous Todd Henry book

01:39:24

So

01:39:26

from a book perspective

01:39:28

I think this is honestly two and a half stars

01:39:31

Okay

01:39:32

Now I just spent an hour and a half talking about how great the assessment is so I do think like as

01:39:39

a sales tool

01:39:41

Well done Todd Henry. Yes

01:39:43

This is why I was asking if you could split the two

01:39:47

I don't know. I think I think from a bookworm perspective you kind of it's

01:39:52

My interpretation of this it's our responsibility

01:39:56

To do that

01:39:57

Like people come to bookworm. Why did they come to bookworm because they're looking for the next book to read

01:40:02

They want to know what's worth their time

01:40:05

Don't spend your time reading this one

01:40:08

Spend your time if you really like the idea of motivation and you believe that there's a lot of validity behind this particular assessment

01:40:15

Which I can't even say because like I said they link to the science and there isn't a whole lot there

01:40:18

But if you can get past that for yourself and you want to research this for yourself

01:40:23

Take the assessment

01:40:25

Well number one if you don't want to spend any money take the free assessment and then go back and read just those sections

01:40:31

If you do want to really understand this stuff, which I've fallen to that category

01:40:36

You don't even need the book at all just go to the motivation code.com take the $50 assessment and watch the videos and whatever else

01:40:44

In the the full report follow those exercises

01:40:46

So

01:40:48

I like the fact that we went through this. I like the discussion that we had about

01:40:54

The topic yeah, but the book itself I feel is

01:40:58

Uh has been measured and found wanting

01:41:02

But towards the end he does say

01:41:05

That one of the things you need to do is process this with somebody yep, that's true

01:41:10

That's true it was somebody

01:41:12

So but you got to go through the assessment in order to do that you can't just read the book and talk about it

01:41:16

This is a terrible book club book. This is a podcast book club. This is not the right arena for this. Yeah

01:41:23

So I

01:41:24

I'm having a hard time

01:41:26

Because I hear you on trying to break the book away from

01:41:29

the assessment

01:41:31

but i'm having a hard time doing that because

01:41:34

The impact that the book has had on me would not have happened without the

01:41:39

Assessment and I would have focused on the wrong things going through the book

01:41:43

Yep, so if i'm rating the book, I think without the assessment, I think you're right. I would have gone down the wrong path

01:41:50

With it without the assessment, but they do call out like we want you to stop and we want you to go take this

01:41:55

Yep, so you could rate the experience. That's fine. You don't have to isolate the book like I did

01:42:01

Yeah, I don't I don't know like that's

01:42:04

That's posing a question about how bookworm ratings work that i'm not sure I was prepared to

01:42:09

Endeavor upon yeah, so well to be honest when I got to the section where they asked us take the assessment

01:42:17

I was like, oh man. Yeah, maybe I should reach out to joe and say you want to do something else instead sure

01:42:24

But i'm glad to have gone through this though. Yep, me too. Like i'm very happy that I did this

01:42:30

from an overall experience stance

01:42:33

If I were to make the assumption, okay here i'm gonna make a couple assumptions, okay

01:42:37

Number one i'm rating this based on the experience that the book delivers

01:42:42

Okay, which means you have to take the assessment into conjunction when you're looking at the entirety of this

01:42:48

That's assumption number one assumption number two

01:42:51

is that

01:42:53

what i'm

01:42:55

Getting from taking the assessment and learning about it

01:42:58

Is solid and actually stands up over time

01:43:01

If those two things are true

01:43:04

I think I would put this at a five

01:43:07

Which is weird to say i'm not

01:43:10

Gonna put it at a five because i'm i'm conflicted at the moment because i don't know what that law

01:43:15

I don't have the

01:43:17

I don't have what that long term is

01:43:19

So I I don't know, you know when we get to episode 200. Maybe we revise this one

01:43:24

I don't know but I

01:43:26

I don't know if I can

01:43:31

Separate the assessment from this just because I know that

01:43:37

It would not have struck me the way I it did if I

01:43:40

Hadn't taken it, but again, you're absolutely correct if you split that assessment from it

01:43:45

And you just read the book

01:43:47

It's going to be a bit confusing a little bit because of those subtleties between them

01:43:53

You know, that's one major complaint that i've had

01:43:56

with this is that

01:43:58

because some of those groupings and those motivational themes even within some of the families

01:44:02

have

01:44:04

such similar

01:44:06

explanations and

01:44:08

pros and cons

01:44:10

It's a bit washy on which one you would say is yours if you didn't take that assessment

01:44:15

and it would make me wonder like what's the

01:44:18

The difference between saying it's one versus like a versus b inside the back

01:44:23

Mathematical model on that assessment. I wonder how far apart some of these are some of them

01:44:29

I'm sure it's quite wide, but i'm betting some of these it's quite narrow

01:44:33

Which would make me wonder about the definitions and how they've gone defining some of these so you know, that's some of the complaints I have with it

01:44:40

You know those subtleties aren't made clear, but at the same time

01:44:45

I think that you might be correct having not done the full assessment the paid version of it. It makes me wonder if

01:44:53

doing that

01:44:56

skip the book

01:44:58

And do that would make more sense now granted you're talking about a two to threefold

01:45:03

expense

01:45:05

Versus reading the book and doing the free version

01:45:08

So I kind of want to tell folks like if you're interested in in this process buy the book do the free one

01:45:14

And then if you want to go in depth then do the full blown part of me wants to say that

01:45:19

So on that topic specifically, let me address that because sure they're following the strengths finder model

01:45:25

But strengths finders is a better deal because what you get when you buy the strengths finder book

01:45:31

is a code to use the paid assessment

01:45:36

But you only gives you your top five areas or something like that

01:45:40

But it gives you the content that you need to learn something from those five areas

01:45:45

And that's an added value to the book that you've already paid for

01:45:48

With this book you pay 20 bucks, whatever it comes in the mail then you find out there's a free assessment

01:45:53

And it's like they designed the free assessment

01:45:55

Through the lens of no one's paid anything for this yet

01:45:59

But you don't even know about the free assessment until you've already paid for the book

01:46:02

So what you get from the free assessment is

01:46:05

not really anything

01:46:08

And you got to go back and read the book yourself in order to draw any sort of conclusions

01:46:12

I wish they would have given like the descriptions of the different areas like I got with the paid version in the free version

01:46:19

And made that like a light version that they charge 10 bucks for and they give you a code in the book

01:46:24

I feel like that produces a much more palatable

01:46:28

Upsell for them from buying the book to the full assessment

01:46:33

Yeah, I I don't disagree with you

01:46:35

It makes me wonder how they got to where they

01:46:38

Are I can easily see like the full assessment you're talking about because of the extras that you're talking about it totally is worth more than

01:46:46

A free code from the book. So at that I totally understand. I don't think they're wrong

01:46:51

In the dollar amount that they've put on things

01:46:55

But if you like for example when you take the free one, it's just a three bullet list

01:47:00

It tells you absolutely nothing about those. So if I were to take that test cover page and one additional page

01:47:06

Yeah, three icons on it. It literally only said collaborate be central demonstrate new learning. That is all it said

01:47:12

There was no this it didn't even tell me what family that was from exactly it just told me those three titles and that was it

01:47:19

so

01:47:20

When we say when you take the test all you're getting is those three

01:47:24

That is it that I'm not exaggerating that it's weak sauce

01:47:28

So how to rate this and beating around the bush because I don't know what to do

01:47:32

Because again, it's like how do you all right? So

01:47:37

From a book stance if I'm separating it from the assessment and again

01:47:41

You know, you're going to take that if you buy the book

01:47:45

so

01:47:48

I don't know that if you were to buy this and not like the type of person who would buy this and not take the assessment

01:47:54

I don't know what type of person that is

01:47:56

um, it's not me

01:47:58

but

01:47:59

Because I again I put the book down for two days while I

01:48:02

Weighted to take the assessment because I didn't have the 30 minutes to drop into because I would normally read in like five and 10 minute

01:48:08

Uh

01:48:10

spacings between things that's when I do a lot of my reading so

01:48:13

To sit down and do a 30 minute. I have to make sure I've got time set aside for that

01:48:17

So

01:48:19

Whenever I did do that it was worth it. So I think a lot of people are going to do that

01:48:24

Under it assuming that this is solid and I and there's not some underlying fundamental flaw that I'm

01:48:31

Missing I think I'm going to put this at a four

01:48:35

I'm going to put it at 4.0

01:48:38

I don't think I can go and just completely divorce the assessment

01:48:42

I'm having a very hard time doing that mentally but again some of my qualms are the subtleties between some of these sub themes

01:48:51

Not really understanding what the broader scope of things are directly from the book

01:48:57

Without having to spend an extra 50 bucks

01:48:59

You know some of those things start to get to be a bit odd

01:49:03

As far as the overall experience if you want to look at it from that stance so you know, even if

01:49:08

Today not having that long-term

01:49:11

Understanding and solidifying things. I don't think I could in any way say this is a 5.0 today

01:49:20

I think maybe in a year's time I might say that

01:49:22

From an overall experience. I probably still wouldn't revise it after a year though, but I don't know

01:49:29

I'll quit beating around the bush. I'll say it's a 4.0 and I'll stay there. All right

01:49:34

Cool. Let's put the motivation code on the shelf

01:49:39

What's next? Yeah, so the next one we talked about this

01:49:43

Last time so last time we recorded this one had been released only by what two three days

01:49:50

Something like that. Yeah, and this is the practice by Seth Godin

01:49:54

shipping creative work

01:49:57

and

01:49:58

I don't have this in my hands yet

01:50:00

uh because I'm a slacker and ordered it late and

01:50:04

We'll have it in my hands on Monday, but it sounds

01:50:08

Very intriguing. I'm a big Seth Godin fan

01:50:11

So I think this will be a fun one to go through. Have we covered a Seth Godin book before?

01:50:15

I'm not sure that we have which is weird

01:50:18

But yeah, I I don't recall covering a Seth Godin book

01:50:22

I know that I've read a couple I have purple cow in front of me, but

01:50:26

I don't think we've actually covered a Seth Godin book which might be a sin that we need to rectify here

01:50:32

It's going to be remedied shortly

01:50:34

So anyway, that one's up next. What did you finally land on for after that?

01:50:40

Well

01:50:41

After that we've got the anti-Seth Godin so Seth Godin is an easy read typically

01:50:48

Cranked through those pretty quickly

01:50:50

Series of short essays this book looks a lot like that

01:50:53

But then after that I have a book which I had pre-ordered the new version of and I want to go through

01:51:00

It is

01:51:03

500

01:51:04

And 44 pages and so I asked you before we started recording if you were cool with this

01:51:10

And you said yes, you might only because we're covering Seth Godin first

01:51:14

Exactly

01:51:16

So after that we are going to read

01:51:19

bowling alone the collapse and revival of american community

01:51:25

And this was a book I believe we first heard about this when we recorded the author's corner episode with near iall

01:51:33

I've had a couple people bring it up since then

01:51:36

and

01:51:38

Yeah, this is going to be a

01:51:40

A big one. I know not what to expect from this

01:51:44

I think it's a topic that is going to be interesting and not the type of thing that we would normally cover on bookworms so

01:51:52

For people who want us to break out of our productivity self-help box

01:51:58

Here you go

01:52:01

You haven't selected sapiens yet chats pointing it out. I haven't i'm willing to especially after brainwash referenced it but

01:52:11

Yeah, this one I want to read more so dragon you along with me all right all right

01:52:16

How about a gap book you got one in between?

01:52:18

I have a gap book right here, but I am not going to even pick it up and read it

01:52:23

Because bowling alone is so big

01:52:26

so

01:52:28

No gap book this time

01:52:30

All right, i'm the same so no, I don't have any gap books

01:52:33

I probably should given thanksgiving is coming and i'm taking a week off but

01:52:38

No, I can start reading bowling alone. I know I think that's what i'm gonna end up doing

01:52:42

Hustle through seph goat and take a bunch of notes pick up bowling alone and be halfway done with it before we record seph goat's book

01:52:48

The timing of this one

01:52:52

Specifically is kind of interesting for me because we're in the middle of all this covid stuff. So

01:52:57

Yeah, we're not doing all the in-person stuff that we would normally do and so kind of the thought process behind this is

01:53:05

number one, you know, how do we

01:53:07

mitigate what's happening and

01:53:10

like

01:53:11

Do what we can

01:53:12

Uh, and number two when things go back to normal what should it look like

01:53:15

Quote unquote back to normal

01:53:18

People love it when we say quote unquote. It's true

01:53:21

All right, we've been talking way too much. Let's wrap this up. Okay. Thank you to everybody who supports the show

01:53:27

Either by attending the lab recording

01:53:30

as we are doing right now on twitch or

01:53:34

Especially if you are willing to support the show and pitch in a couple bucks every month

01:53:40

To help us keep the lights on if you want to sign up to become a bookworm club premium member

01:53:44

It's five bucks a month 50 bucks a year. You can go to bookworm.fm/membership. I believe

01:53:50

Uh, it'll be a link in the show notes

01:53:53

And you will get access to all of the mind-known files that I create for the books that we read including the ginormous one for

01:54:00

this particular book

01:54:03

You get a fancy wallpaper I designed and a couple other bonuses

01:54:07

But really you get our undying gratitude. We really do appreciate everybody who is willing to

01:54:13

Monterly support the show that means a lot to both join myself. So thank you everybody for sure

01:54:18

I did shorten some things for us to make it easier though bookworm.fm/membership

01:54:23

Takes you to

01:54:25

The club and does takes you where you need to go

01:54:27

And then if you want to catch us live if you ever catch the tweets and stuff when we're going to record live

01:54:32

Bookworm.fm/live

01:54:34

It'll redirect both of those will redirect you where you need to be because you know

01:54:38

I like to demonstrate new learning. So there you are

01:54:42

So if you're following along with us pick up the practice by Seth Godin will cover it next time and

01:54:50

Hopefully we'll learn how to be more creative. Thanks team