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So I have a bone to pick with you today.

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All right, I know this is coming. So let's let's do this

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Do you want to do the other stuff first or you want to jump in there? No, let's just get it over with

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All right question number one why

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All right, so first of all, maybe we should explain what we're talking about. Yes people who don't yes spend too much time on Twitter

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I sent Joe a screenshot

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and

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It was of an application in my doc which was a task management application, but it was not an omni focus

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I have switched to to do and

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Let me explain the whole process. I went through to get here. All right, so

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We've mentioned before that we had met Ryan on the productivity show and he did a great job explaining

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The benefits to do and honestly I was probably convinced when I was recording with him

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But then he made this comment. He's like well, you know

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The Negging reminders and the multiple contexts is coming to omni focus later this year

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So maybe you don't have to switch and then I was like, yeah, maybe you're right. Maybe I don't have to switch

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I can just continue to do this

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then things three came out and

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It blew up in the dojo and people were talking about it

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and I'm like I got to figure out what this is all about and kind of give like the

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Asian efficiency stance on things three

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Which is an absolutely beautiful

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application I still don't like the fact that they don't have start dates and

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There's issues right now with repeating projects. You can actually not repeat tasks inside of projects, which is kind of kind of strange

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so there's a couple things that just make it not ideal, but you can tell they put a ton of effort into the design and

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And it made me want to use it because it like it's just so well designed

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You can like this is the button to add tasks on iOS

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You can actually drag that wherever you want in the screen and there's just like little animations and re yep

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Yep

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And and there's just like little animations and whimsy in it that just make it like really fun to use now

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It's like oh man. This would be this is so much more fun to use than omni focus

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Like I really wish this would work for me and then I was thinking well, what are the other options?

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What about to do and I went back and looked at to do and I'm like well

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This interface isn't that great like I'm not gonna switch because the interface alone

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But what were those other reasons that I was thinking about to do back in the day and never switched and I dug into the

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nagging reminders

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And that the multiple context is a thing that knows things three also has so that wasn't as big a deal

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But the nagging reminders work really really well in to do I just created a couple of them

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Like well just see how these work and it's it's great

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It's actually in my opinion kind of like a good balance between

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Do which if you don't mess with the settings is just gonna annoy you every five minutes?

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Like I remember when I first set up do I would get a reminder and it would appear on my lock screen like 20 times

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If I happen to be in do not disturb mode or whatever right?

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I was it will not leave you alone. Yeah, it just

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continues to nail you which is the idea, you know, I get that and that is important the way I was using Omni focus where

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You know, you get a you get a notification and it is honestly very very easy to miss

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And so I was using do for the things that like okay

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I have to make sure that this gets done by this specific time and then as I'm going through and looking at all these different task managers

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I'm thinking to myself like yes

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Omni folk like the nagging features and the multiple tags are coming to Omni focus, but

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There is no clear indication of when

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Ken case is super excited about all of the new features that were announced in iOS 11

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So like I'm going through all the tweets, you know, I'm seeing

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The the stuff that they've said previously like oh, yes

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This is coming and then you look at their product roadmap and like it's there's so much that they are focusing on that

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Honestly, I think has a better chance of happening first. So that brought me to the point where I

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Kind of needed it's been like a really busy month for me and my task management system needs

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Kind of a reset anyways

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like I need to just sit down and

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Do the brain dump again and make sure that everything is is in there like it's kind of gotten to the point

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I've neglected it a little bit where I need to

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kind of start from scratch anyways and so

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I'm thinking to myself. Well, why don't I just do that inside of to do and just use that?

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until this stuff comes to Omni focus if I have to

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Kind of do the initial brain dump process again anyways

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Why not use this tool that I know is gonna meet all my needs rather than trying to splice together a system

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Which is using different applications like it's just the more I thought about it

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I'm like, that just doesn't make sense and yeah, so to do is on my dock and I'm giving it a legit shot

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nice, so

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The whole because you had a concern at one point about this being under one developer

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Cuz isn't to do the one that there's just one guy doing the whole thing. Yes. That's the one. Yeah, it is

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So that's another thanks for bringing that up. That's another piece of the context for this decision. I

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Also just finished a module for screencast online on mail mate. Mail mate. Okay is like my favorite application of all time

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also a single

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developer and

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That just got me thinking like I'm trusting my entire email life to a single developer

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Why can't I do the same thing with a task manager and then I'm going to the Mac App Store. I never

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Man the Mac App Store is

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According to listener Josh dumpster

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but but

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I do have a bunch of applications that have had purchased through the Mac App Store over the years

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so periodically I go in there and just to see if there's any updates for things and

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What I saw over the period of the last like two to three weeks is to do get updated. I think three different times

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Yeah, so the more I thought about I'm like, yeah, it's a single developer or at least it's a very small team and

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But I'm already using a single developer app for mail mate and honestly like that has been great. So I

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Feel like you know, I never really gave to do a fair shake and I really am liking it so far

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The other thing I noticed was that mail mate does integrate directly with to do so that's the first thing I test is like

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How does this actually?

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How does this actually work like sending?

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Emails into tasks and to do like is is that process efficient because if it's not then this is not going to work

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But it works great and it also integrates with

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Dispatch and an air mail and any other email application that you you might want

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So yeah, I think that this has the potential to meet all the needs and check all the boxes and

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Yeah, I really enjoy it. I really like the

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The supporting materials tab or whatever you call it

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I don't know like you can attach a different things to your tasks like you can have a link like or you can

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yeah, or an audio note or a location and

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I just I really like that. I really like being able to see like in the task name like oh there's a picture associated with this

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There's an audio note associated with this or there is a

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Specifically, you know a link that's associated with this and so when you send stuff from an email application for example like mail mate

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It just automatically

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Attaches that link and it attaches it as the link it doesn't actually show up in the notes field

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You can just see like oh there's a link associated with this task and then you just click on that to access the the message

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So I am I've been considering an exploration of task managers lately

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So this is partly why I was interested in some of your rationale here because I have been such a strong

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Omni-focused user for a very long time so much so that I've not even like I've never downloaded things three

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To do I've never installed to do us. I've never installed like these are things that I've never actually used in it

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in any way because Omni focus fits me so well that I just don't see the point of

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exploring anything other than that but

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The one that the one thing because whenever I do some of these searches to try to figure out what some of these things can do because I

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Considered going on an exploration of this just because it seems like the Omni group has gotten slower

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With catching up if that makes sense

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So that's the only reason I would consider it because there are some things that come up

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And I don't want to say like the recurring reminders thing that the nagging reminders thing. I don't think that's

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Enough by itself the whole I need to start over and do a complete revamp of my system

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I understand that it's not something I feel called to do right now. So I

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Could see where that's helpful as well. So I've considered this exploration

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but the one big key piece that I can't find in another task manager is anything around

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templates or the ability to create templates to does to do touch that at all

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That's a good question to tell you the truth. I am not sure but

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I'm sure that Matt Ryan would know or at least he'd have a way to do it if it's not yeah, I supported

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Right kind of the other thing. I use a lot

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Yeah, and that's I mean the not the template specifically

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But that's kind of the the other thing that kind of pushed me in this direction is well if I encounter anything

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I know that I could ask Matt and he'll have an answer for me. He's right. He's thought through all of this stuff

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So yeah, it doesn't look like there's there's templates

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but I think I saw somewhere on the internet like a way to

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To do those I even found like a hack

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But it's it's in the to-do documentation like how you can actually export everything from

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Omni focus and get it into to do if you wanted to to just oh wow make a like a straight copy

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I didn't because I wanted to rethink everything

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So I'm starting

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completely from scratch

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Like slate let's start over that makes sense

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I I think if you're gonna start over with a new app like that

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It makes a lot of sense to rethink how you're gonna do it because the app's gonna work differently

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So you may have a lot of tweaks and adjustments that you're gonna want to make to that system because you know

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You know and that's something that I've considered you know with Omni focus

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It just seems like there's a lot of the small like the animations and the intuitiveness of it and your ability to

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Intermeda data with it. Although I don't do that on

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iOS I can see where there's some value in that

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I don't really use my phone as much as I think some people do so I could see where if you were doing a lot of work on the phone and

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Trying to do a lot of task management processing on your phone

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Trying to use something other than Omni focus might make a lot of sense just because they don't seem to have it

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to be simple to do a lot of that metadata entering and

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I do a large amount of that on my Mac

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I primarily my phone is a capture device. That's primarily what I use it for

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so

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I've considered this whole thing

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I don't know that I'm gonna go there to be honest with you Mike the one that actually is most appealing to me right now

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Is the paper system which seems just ludicrous?

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Yeah, that's that's kind of how I seem to do things anymore. Let's do it on paper

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Here we go again Joe

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Yeah, nothing nothing wrong with that to be honest and

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You know, I I fully expect that once Omni focus

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Incorporate some of these key features like they've got a team and I'll probably be end up going back to Omni focus at some point

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I'm already invested in in those apps, but I also already had to do so

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Yeah, I guess you know a plus also a big piece of this honestly and this maybe is just

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you know justification for shiny new object syndrome, but it is what it is like I

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Work for a company that people expect to know like well, what is agent efficiency think about this and

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I can expense these types of things to the company to do

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Quote-unquote research. You know, I'm not trying to like make it sound like oh, yeah

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I'm just buying stuff because you know, it's productivity

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But you know when there's when there's something that like legitimately I

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Need to know what to say about it

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like

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It's a great situation because agent efficiency is like yeah

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Go ahead and do that like no questions asked just go ahead buy the thing and play around with it

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and so

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like a little bit of that is

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You know that that is enough to push me over the edge. I think for some of these things is like I

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Tend to not go chase the shiny new object

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I tend to like dabble a little bit, but I won't fully jump into something

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Unless you know in this particular case, it's like we have a community that's wanting to know

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What about this particular app or and you know what kind of started this whole thing was like what what about things three?

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Because that's kind of the the new hotness right now the new hotness

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No, I I've considered a lot of this stuff at least within the last week or so and

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although I say I'm considering it the chances of me actually leaving omni focus are pretty slim just because

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things like

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sequential and parallel projects and single actions lists things like that I am very heavily dependent on

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Things like being able to do templates

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Defering projects or tasks away from me right now. So I'm not seeing them like those little bits are

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So integral into how I use a task manager and I can't find those outside of

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Omni focus. They've made me reliant on them

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So trying to do something else just doesn't seem to work and every time I've run across another system that I think is new shiny and fun

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I can't do those things and I haven't found anything that does those and

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If I can't handle those why would I even consider switching everything else to go with it?

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Yeah, I mean there's a lot of killer features for omni focus still like the task paper input method

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So you can really easily create those templates and like workflow or stuff like that the apple script support

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I believe they're adding JavaScript support to all of their apps which opens up a whole bunch of automation doors, but I

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Guess I just I'm not enough of a power user to for that stuff to really matter to me what I want is making reminders in multiple contexts

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See I've talked to some folks about the multiple context thing. I think it does more harm than good in the long run

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That's my opinion. I

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Probably would have agreed with you up until about a month ago

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There was an episode of the productivity show where tan was interviewing Charles bird

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I believe about how he uses Evernote and they got into the whole discussion of like folders versus tags and tan has always used the folders

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Charles convinced him I think to start using the tags and this is something that I

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Have struggled with I know other people personally who have struggled with this is like I want to use tags

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I get the idea of tags, but I don't understand how to set these up effectively. So in that that episode

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I'll try to get you the link to that

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But Charles is a great job of explaining what kind of tags you should really use and then when you're talking about

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Tasks, there's a lot of

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Very valid reasons to use them like in the episode of met Ryan

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He talked about how if you want to do something when you're in New York and you want to do it with your brother like those are two

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separate

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Context how do you how do you justify that? You know brother New York context like that? That doesn't make any sense

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yes, but at the same time if I have a list for New York because

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the only chance that I'm gonna do that task with my brother and when I'm in New York is if I'm in New York and

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for me especially if I'm

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making a list for New York the chances of me having more than say one thing on that list is pretty slim

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That's where I get caught up on this because if I have if I have 50 items on a context

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It needs to be broken out into more

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Context it doesn't need to be just the one and the chances of

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there being so many things that are overlapped that

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I need to do the multiple context piece

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I have too much stuff in my system that's active right now

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I need to get some things deferred or on pause like it's just too much to be trying to work on at one time

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So it seems like to me the cases where multiple contexts come in and

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Could be useful. It's more often a

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function of

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You actually need to say no to some things or at least put things on hold as opposed to trying to do a whole bunch of things at one time

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But that's this is my sense least that's how I do things if I have a whole bunch of stuff on a context or I need to do that

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It's an indicator of other issues within the system

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Could be I think that there's a there's a lot of value in being able to filter information

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Multiple ways and with Omni focus you've got excuse me. You've got limited

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Limited criteria that you can use you've got the the context you've got the project

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You've got the start you've got the deferred date. You've got flagged

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You know all that stuff is going to determine whether something is active and which specific context or project that it's assigned to

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But I can definitely see

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cases where it would be helpful to have like an additional layer of

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Information there and that's kind of where the sub sub context come in that's kind of the way around it

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But listening to Charles bird talk about how he uses the tags and how he just kind of like stacks them

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Just like an internet search to really find something really really quickly

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I think that that has value not just for reference material, but also also tasks though

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It is a little bit I agree of a paradigm shift especially if you are

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indoctrinated into

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into GTD Canon

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Yeah, that could be I could be I know that it seems like a lot of the stuff that I'm doing

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If I if I have multiple contexts on things or I have a lot of different tags on

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tasks or projects

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I don't in practice actually use those

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Like I'm not going to pull up my phone and check okay. I'm at the grocery store and I just ran across a friend

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I very rarely will pull out my phone and try to connect what do I need to talk about right now?

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I'm not going to do that. It's just in practice. It just doesn't happen

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It's only whenever I'm

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focusing on a specific day or a specific project that I'll run through a lot of those lists, but if you have it

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So fine-tuned and you have so many different contexts and different tags on things

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You have to think that every time that context or tag shows up or you're a part of any

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Combination of those you have to check that list

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You have to in practice have the habit of checking it every time you're in those situations

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It seems to me that the people who do that rarely actually follow through on it at least that's my perspective

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You probably rock talked to a lot more people about this than I do

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Well, like I said, it's a it's an experiment

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But I do know that another feature where I could totally see this being leveraged into do is they have these like smart lists

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Which I essentially like smart mailboxes for email except it's for your tasks

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So I don't know enough about these to really tell you that yeah

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This is totally worthwhile and this is an killer feature, but seems to me like there's a lot of potential there

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So I will report back. Yeah, I

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Think as long as it's helping you get stuff done and it's not a fiddle tool

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Then go for it like that's what I tell people's as long as you're not gonna blow a whole bunch of time playing with it

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It's not game. It's to help you get stuff done like that's the whole purpose here

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So I think as long as it does that on that front have fun probably jury's still out, but we'll see

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Okay

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Okay, we've had our little bit on to do now you want to do our actual follow-up

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Yeah, sounds good. Let's talk about the the seven habits results. Do you have yours handy? I

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Do I will get that pulled up?

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Where is the having gone out of order? Sorry about that. That's okay

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Okay, I have it up. Okay, so this is the

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personal effectiveness quotient

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assessment which came with the at least the version of the book that I bought and on the

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first page they have a breakdown of the effectiveness categories and then the scores so

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Highly effective is 85 and above mostly effective is 65 to 84 less effective

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not uneffective or

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ineffective whatever

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They worded that it's very nice. Yeah, there's 64 and below

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And then they break it down into obviously the seven different habits. So

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Should we just take turns and go through the overall score and then scores for each habit?

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Sure. Yeah, that sounds like a good plan. Okay. So my first you and me too. I can go first

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my P.E.Q overall score was 82 and my first habit

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I don't know if that's a good holy smokes or bad holy smokes, but

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What's interesting though is the scores for the individual and holy smokes

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Yeah, what was interesting to me and really like this is a self assessment

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So I don't really put a whole lot of stock in the specific number

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But I thought what was interesting was like the scores comparatively speaking between the different habits

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So habit number one. I got a 75 which was be proactive

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Habit number two begin with the end in mind this one. I got a 93

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Uh habit number three put first things first. I got a 87

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So I did pretty well on those

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Uh, but then emotional bank account. This was 78. So that was a little bit lower compared to some of the other ones think win win

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That was 78. So that was a little bit lower

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Uh habit number five seek first to understand then to be understood that was 78 habit number six was synergized

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Which was 75 so as I go up the hierarchy in terms of the habits my scores keep getting lower essentially

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Uh, but then habit number seven sharp in the saw was in 90 and honestly that one made sense because he talked a lot about

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Rituals and routines and that's a big emphasis at Asian efficiency. So

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Um, but yeah, so my my scores were I'll just run through these again 82 overall 75 93 87 78

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78

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78 and 75

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Wow, you blew me out of the water

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on everything

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Maybe I just uh think higher of myself than I ought

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I

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Yeah, I tend to be pretty hard on myself. So keep that in mind because my overall score was a 63

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So not great at all according to this scale. So for habit one, but uh be proactive

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I had a 58

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Begin with the end in mind. I had a 53 put first things first at a 69

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That's one of the higher ones for me. So that makes sense because it's a little more on the productivity side of things

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Uh emotional bank account. I had a 63

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Think win win at a 73 in comparison. That's quite a bit higher. Nice. Uh

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Don't have a rationale on that one

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Seek first to understand then to be understood. I have a 55

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Synergize I had a 75 so that one I tied you on

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And then sharpen the saw I had a 63

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So I I think some of this is I'm I tend to be hard on myself in the the ratings here

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are strongly disagree

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Uh disagree slightly disagree slightly agree agree strongly agree

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And I'm one of those that has a tendency to not put strongly

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Agree or disagree. I don't know why I just tend to not do that. So that might be part of it

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I tend to not do that. I think that I've taken enough of these types of assessments that

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Uh, I have no I have no problem picking strongly agree or strongly disagree

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Uh, but again self assessment

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So from a assessment perspective what you would be doing if you really wanted to get valid results

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Is you would be taking like an assessment like this and then I would take the one about you you would take the one about me

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And you would average out the scores. It's called a 360 assessment

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Because a lot of times the person taking the assessment isn't taking it the right way

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Especially ways just you know an online thing and you don't have any sort of person to direct you like well

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You know, this is what this really means sort of a thing. You can't go ask the teacher

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Just kind of a bummer

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Can you just tell me what I am?

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Yeah, so I don't I don't put any stock like I said in the numbers, but I thought it was kind of interesting to see the trends

00:25:47

Yeah, because I know that I I know that I tend to be pretty effective with

00:25:51

Especially with clients and in my family

00:25:54

So it seemed like a bit of a misnomer to me to see

00:25:57

That I was hitting the less effective category just barely but I just that is where I landed

00:26:02

It seemed a bit odd to me to land in that because I'd feel like it's not true

00:26:08

But I wonder if it was all

00:26:10

Scaled down quite a bit. I don't know. I don't know seemed off

00:26:15

Maybe I just did it wrong. Maybe I should take it again and be okay with the strongly ratings

00:26:19

Yeah, well, I don't know

00:26:23

Specifically like your thought process when you're going through and you're trying to decide between strongly agree and agree for example, but

00:26:29

in my experience

00:26:32

The initial thought that you have is always the right one when it comes to these types of assessments

00:26:37

So if I look at something and I say I have long-term goals in life

00:26:42

I agree like I my wife and I talk about this almost every week

00:26:45

So I'm not going to try and rationalize myself down from that point. I'm just gonna put strongly agree

00:26:52

Right, right. I know I tend to I take these things quickly that way. I don't have a chance to think twice

00:26:58

That's what I tend to do like okay. They said take 30 minutes to do it and I did it. I think 10 so

00:27:04

Yes, I do them quickly so that I don't second guess it

00:27:08

but

00:27:09

Again, I have an aversion to the strongly

00:27:12

The strongly ratings on those things. Yeah, I don't know. This is what I did

00:27:17

So I thought it was interesting again

00:27:19

I think this particular one at least for me it was more helpful to see

00:27:23

The individual breakdowns as they relate to the overall score

00:27:28

Because if it was higher to me that would say that I was doing pretty well in that area if it was lower than my average

00:27:35

That would be an area I need to work on that's kind of how I was seeing it

00:27:38

I wasn't getting too caught up on the numbers themselves

00:27:40

Makes sense

00:27:42

And on that note the areas that I'm working on

00:27:45

Thus my follow-up items here because I have three

00:27:48

One of them I've already thrown out because I don't like it, but the other two

00:27:53

I think I'm going to keep working on the first one is my projects come first

00:27:57

and that has proved extremely helpful because I've been

00:28:01

working on my own code projects and

00:28:05

That has allowed me to accomplish quite a bit on my own business pieces

00:28:08

Instead of just the client work and that'll be helpful because I know and I'm looking at it seeing the potential for

00:28:15

At least an income that comes in without

00:28:19

What do they call it the the passive recurring passive income

00:28:22

It sets up the the stance for some of those so

00:28:26

It'll be helpful. I'd be glad to get some of those out the door

00:28:29

Hopefully in to june i'll be in good shape with those

00:28:33

Uh, the other one here defer everything outside this week. I've been doing that a little bit

00:28:38

This is going to be an omni focus thing that I can't find in any other task manager

00:28:41

Uh deferring things

00:28:44

So that i'm not seeing them right now

00:28:46

Which essentially means that my goal is to check off everything I can see an omni focus for the week

00:28:50

Which is really interesting

00:28:53

So it does require a bit of a mindset shift whenever you go to that, but it's at least something i'm working towards

00:29:00

Uh, and then the one that i'm throwing out is weekly planning

00:29:04

I understand why he wants you to do this

00:29:07

I think my business and what I do works too fast for that

00:29:12

Because I set up

00:29:14

The I did it two weeks in a row

00:29:16

Since we talked last

00:29:18

Uh, and I threw it out the window here a day or so ago

00:29:21

But I I was putting together my plan for every day a week in advance

00:29:28

And whenever I would do that, I felt pretty good about it

00:29:31

When the days came around I realized that I have a lot of stuff that shows up

00:29:35

That I needed to take care of

00:29:38

And there's also like I would tend to leave thursday and friday fairly open because

00:29:43

I never really know what I need to work on on those days

00:29:46

And then the second week I realized I was rewriting each day as it came along

00:29:49

Like oh, this is not working

00:29:52

So

00:29:53

Weekly planning goodbye

00:29:55

See you later

00:29:57

That's what I got

00:29:59

It makes me sad about the weekly planning

00:30:01

I feel like uh, yeah, I feel like that's something that

00:30:07

I don't know

00:30:11

Maybe it's just uh

00:30:13

Like finding the right way to to do it, but I think that

00:30:16

Identifying like the the weekly

00:30:19

The weekly goal essentially like 12 week year

00:30:24

Essentially, you know, it's is pretty

00:30:26

Pretty effective. I totally get it though. You know when you're you're talking about how like that's just not the way that I work

00:30:33

Um, but I kind of think that it's maybe not the

00:30:37

High level

00:30:40

That's not working, but maybe just like the tactical stuff

00:30:42

So maybe we can chat about that at max time in a few weeks

00:30:45

Yeah, there you go because I know that

00:30:48

It was helpful to at least think it through

00:30:52

For a long time now. I've known that I've got

00:30:55

Uh, who is it? Mike Vardy has his uh weekly theme

00:30:58

So each day of the week has a theme that he does

00:31:01

To me that seems to make a lot of sense because

00:31:04

Like I've got one day a week where i'm in at the church all day

00:31:07

So obviously that's my church day

00:31:09

And I I've got

00:31:11

A certain day of the week when I do a lot of podcast editing

00:31:14

I've got another day that I do

00:31:16

I tend to do a lot of my own projects and a couple days a week i'm focused primarily on client work

00:31:22

But

00:31:23

I also have a lot of bleed over where if i'm short on client work

00:31:27

I work on my own stuff if i'm heavy

00:31:29

I tend to put some of my own stuff the extra time I would put towards those I would take that

00:31:33

Away

00:31:34

And I never truly know what that's going to look like until the day comes because

00:31:39

sometimes

00:31:41

I find a client

00:31:43

And we're back and forth pretty quick. We signed contracts do initial payments and stuff

00:31:48

within about an hour

00:31:50

Of discovering the thing

00:31:52

And sometimes I can get it built that afternoon and submit it to them

00:31:57

And the whole project is done in one day

00:31:59

Like there are cases where I do that and it happens about every other week

00:32:03

That i'll get one or two of those

00:32:06

And that just always shoots things and

00:32:08

Shoot some in the foot because it's just not going to happen

00:32:11

To try to work around i'm not going to know about that ahead of time

00:32:13

So it makes it a big challenge to plan the week ahead whenever

00:32:18

I because I kind of thrive off that stuff

00:32:20

It's fun to get those and it's helpful to my business

00:32:24

So

00:32:25

It's hard for me to say no to that stuff just because I can't plan ahead for it

00:32:29

So I don't know how to do the whole

00:32:31

Weekly planning bit when I don't know when that stuff is going to come through

00:32:35

Fair enough. Yeah, no, I I get it

00:32:38

I just think that there's got to be like a way to make that work that would provide

00:32:42

A

00:32:43

Of mage like all the benefits without the pain points that you're experiencing

00:32:47

I just don't know what to tell you right now

00:32:49

I'm only yours

00:32:51

I would glad if you can figure out how to do that

00:32:53

I would love to do it because the the process of sitting down and trying to think through my week ahead of time

00:32:58

Is extremely helpful and I can see the value in that

00:33:03

But i'm not going to do it just because

00:33:06

It doesn't actually become real like it's not something that I can follow through on

00:33:12

So it ends up being a waste of time

00:33:14

I'm not going to waste that time knowing that i'm going to destroy that plan that i'm putting together

00:33:18

Yeah, no that that makes sense

00:33:21

Um, I think the the sweet spot for just about anybody is not you know, this is the plan and it doesn't change

00:33:27

But how do you make it so it changes as little as possible?

00:33:31

I think it was great. Do I do I dies and how I said something along the lines of

00:33:35

Plans are worthless, but planning is essential or something like that

00:33:39

Yeah, that makes the idea is just like the

00:33:42

Exercise of going through and creating a plan

00:33:44

Uh, like it's not the end result that you're after it's it's the process of thinking through things and prioritizing and all that

00:33:51

But then like I totally get it when stuff gets messed up and emotionally you're like, ah

00:33:56

like

00:33:58

Right

00:33:59

Not not not getting this little thing down. Yeah, exactly so

00:34:02

Yeah, I'll have to ponder ponder that a little bit

00:34:06

Oh, you're gonna write accountable on this one

00:34:11

All right, my turn, uh, so I had write my own eulogy, which I did

00:34:15

Um, this was really interesting and really hard to start on

00:34:20

Uh, but then once I got going, this is not something I want to do

00:34:23

Yeah, it was it was hard to get started, but then once I once I started uh, it

00:34:28

It was I kept thinking of additional things to add to this so do you want me to read through this?

00:34:33

Uh, that's your call if you want to read it go for it

00:34:36

Okay. Yeah, i'll i'll do it

00:34:39

I'll do it. Uh, so the way I I wrote this, uh, just so you're aware is that um

00:34:46

I wrote it as like a bunch of bullet points. So it's not

00:34:52

Like a speech like you when you picture a eulogy like somebody getting up and waxing poetic about person's life

00:35:00

So these are just like the bullet points that I wanted

00:35:02

So I'll just go through these individually. Uh, number one

00:35:05

Mike was a caring husband and father who valued his family above everything else

00:35:10

Number two, he always made time for his family was always there whenever his wife or children needed him

00:35:13

Number three, nothing made mike more happy or more proud than seeing his children succeed

00:35:18

Number four, he was a great example of a godly father to his sons and he taught them to live according to the word of god

00:35:24

Not emotions or circumstances

00:35:26

Number five, he always helped them understand why something didn't work instead of getting upset that it didn't turn out the way they thought

00:35:32

Uh, it was always obvious that he valued people for who they were not what they did

00:35:38

He always had time for people and gave of his time selflessly

00:35:41

He was a private person but always welcoming he you always knew that if you had a problem, you could talk to mike

00:35:46

Uh, you could always count on mike to get the job done. He was a real go-getter

00:35:50

Uh, never spoke with mike. He made you feel like you were the most important person in the world

00:35:57

He was loving and caring but also tough. He never gave up and you expected you not to either

00:36:01

Uh mike had a spirit of excellence. He expected the same from people that he chose to work with he was okay with mistakes being made

00:36:07

But he expected you to learn from them and not repeat them as a result of being careless

00:36:11

And then uh, the last one here is kind of like a quote like

00:36:14

I would love to be able to have somebody say this about me

00:36:18

Mike taught me everything I know about business. He believed in me when nobody else did

00:36:22

He's the one who encouraged me to start my own business and to completely change my life

00:36:25

So that that's my eulogy

00:36:28

So you have quite a bit here in this eulogy. My question to you is what do you do with it?

00:36:35

Are you going to read this thing once a week? Are you going to pull it out once a month? Never look at it again?

00:36:41

What's the goal with this thing?

00:36:44

Good question. Uh, I

00:36:46

I tend to view these types of exercises as like the value is in the exercise itself

00:36:51

And while I definitely see you there could be value in reviewing this every week every month whatever

00:36:57

I think this is one of those things that just by going through it

00:37:01

You're getting a lot of value and maybe it's something that I repeat the exercise

00:37:06

every year or something just to make sure

00:37:08

That I am consistently moving in the right direction like really what this articulated to me as I went through this

00:37:15

Is that my family is the most important thing like if you're talking about most important task

00:37:21

Like that's it. So then what I need to do is I need to kind of

00:37:24

Valley like view

00:37:26

Through my weekly planning and how I manage my calendar my time and stuff like that

00:37:30

Am I making sure that I am spending enough time with my family to have people say this sort of thing at the end of my life

00:37:36

Right. Uh, and so I don't think that there's anything super major

00:37:41

I need to do in terms of adjustments, but it's a good reminder and there are definitely little things that

00:37:46

I'm going to do in the next couple weeks

00:37:49

To make sure that I'm moving things in the right direction

00:37:54

But I don't think that there's a specific like if I do xyz now

00:37:59

I'm going to consider this a successful project or anything like that

00:38:02

That makes sense. That makes sense. I just wanted to ask because sometimes I hear of people that write these

00:38:07

And then it's something they read every morning as inspiration. So I was just curious what yours was what your plan was

00:38:13

Yeah, I don't I totally see the value in that but honestly my

00:38:18

My inspiration for this was getting done with it. So that had an answer when you talk

00:38:25

So bookworm has done its job

00:38:27

Yes, exactly, but I can say that having done it now

00:38:31

I am glad that I did it and like I said, it was it was hard to do initially, but it there's a

00:38:35

There's a lot of value in just like the thinking time

00:38:39

Um, and that's something that a lot of people don't ever create the space for you know

00:38:44

It's this specific thing this specific way of thinking is

00:38:47

Not something that I typically created the space for which is why I think it was hard for me to do initially

00:38:53

But uh, yeah, it was it was a a good exercise and it it opened my eyes to uh to a couple things. So

00:39:00

Um, yeah, I I intend to do it again, but I don't intend to go back and reference this over and over

00:39:06

It makes sense. It makes sense

00:39:08

So what else you get on this list right down your current roles? How about that?

00:39:12

Yeah, I wrote down my roles

00:39:15

What I did is I wrote down roles both personally and professionally and then also titles

00:39:19

um, so

00:39:21

I have a distinction here between professional and titles because titles are kind of like

00:39:26

I've signed up to serve or do this specific thing. So there's expectations associated with this

00:39:32

Whereas I view like the professional roles. These are

00:39:35

Hats that I want to wear as opposed to hats that I have to wear. Yeah, that makes sense. Yep

00:39:42

Um, there's a lot of responsibilities that go along with the titles whereas the roles is kind of like uh, I

00:39:48

Can do this when I want and if I'm doing a good job of prioritizing and and moving my life towards my ideal future

00:39:56

Like I will be wearing these hats more frequently than I'm not but

00:39:59

Uh, it's up to me to make sure that they follow through. I'm not gonna have somebody yelling at me because I messed up

00:40:04

Sort of a thing. All right, that makes sense

00:40:08

Yeah, so uh personal roles I've got and I'm sure I left some out

00:40:13

But these were like the big ones that I got off the top of my head

00:40:16

You know father husband son friend

00:40:18

mentor disciple

00:40:21

musician

00:40:22

Uh, I mentioned I play guitar and I sing in the worship team in my church

00:40:25

So I almost actually forgot about that one until I did the titles

00:40:29

Um, so yeah, this was again one of those things that seems really simple, but once you start doing it, it's like

00:40:37

Yeah, there's there's a lot there. You have to devote enough time to do it right. I think

00:40:42

uh professional

00:40:44

I put writer podcaster content creator teacher speaker marketer and salesman

00:40:50

And this is again like the 80/20 here most of these things just came right away

00:40:54

But then the bottom two marketer and salesman like if i'm thinking about

00:40:58

What I am doing with everything that I put out online

00:41:02

I am really marketing ideas and I am selling myself

00:41:06

Whether I realize that or not and I think that a lot of people

00:41:11

Like me tend to just be like, oh, I'm not self promotional, you know

00:41:15

What that means is that you're still a marketer. You're still salesman. You just suck at it

00:41:19

So I think it was uh, it was illuminating to recognize that those are definitely roles that I have to wear and then

00:41:27

Being intentional about well, how do I how do I do this without being sleazy since I you know

00:41:31

Quote unquote a lot of people hide behind, you know, I don't want to quote unquote be the sleazy internet marketer guy

00:41:37

Right, you know, well, you don't you don't have to be

00:41:40

But if you don't

00:41:42

If you don't recognize that you're wearing this hat at all then that's not benefiting the people who could benefit from your message and it's definitely not benefiting you so

00:41:50

That was uh, I was one in insight

00:41:54

And then titles

00:41:57

Product director agent efficiency

00:41:59

President at the software company. I was at before that men's ministry coordinator outreach team coordinator at my church

00:42:07

Um, these are different, you know different things that have like I said the responsibilities associated with them, which was kind of interesting because

00:42:15

I noticed that um the titles are kind of like the way that the professional roles

00:42:22

manifest themselves

00:42:25

but also

00:42:27

I I can see where very easily you could find yourself signed up for something title wise that

00:42:35

Isn't in line with the roles that you that you want to have

00:42:39

so you're aligning roles to

00:42:42

the titles and looking for

00:42:45

the

00:42:47

What would that be the

00:42:49

Alignment

00:42:51

Yeah, I mean essentially

00:42:52

Essentially what what you want is alignment between

00:42:55

Every all the different things that you're you're doing and I think that for the most part

00:42:59

Like I this isn't the first time I've done this sort of thing. It's the first time I've done it this way

00:43:04

Right, but I frequently am I'm reevaluating everything I'm committed to and

00:43:09

Looking for things to cut essentially

00:43:12

That's just not you know, the role has evolved or I don't want the title or responsibility anymore. I'll give you one example

00:43:19

recently

00:43:22

Um, I've been involved with toastmasters for a long time. I love toastmasters. Uh, I actually

00:43:26

last

00:43:28

June

00:43:29

Um, when they did the elections I signed up I was secretary for the first six months

00:43:33

And then actually the president wanted me to take over for those last six months

00:43:37

So I agreed to be the president of our local toastmasters group

00:43:41

Uh, didn't well done

00:43:44

Well, not exactly

00:43:46

Here is a tail is it mics tail of woe? All right, so our group our

00:43:51

Our club has been president distinguished for like eight years. I think or something like that

00:43:57

It's like the highest one of the if it's not the highest. It's one of the highest

00:44:01

Um levels you can reach so we've done a really good job

00:44:04

It's a successful club in terms of like this is what toastmasters looks for in their clubs

00:44:08

but the president uh that

00:44:10

Is over the club has been the president for a while and she's great. She's an incredible person

00:44:16

Um, but she's also going through some stuff with her mom right now and so

00:44:21

It was kind of promised that like oh, don't worry

00:44:24

I'll hold your hand through everything and show you everything and as we've talked about i'm a high-fact finder

00:44:29

So I need to know what's going on. I don't roll well with the punches right, uh, and essentially

00:44:34

Other people in the group because she's you know busy taking care of her mom or like oh, so you're the president like you're

00:44:39

Gonna do this right and i'm like um what?

00:44:41

And so there were a lot of what am I gonna do?

00:44:45

There were a lot of things that I didn't feel I signed up for like for example

00:44:49

One of the things uh was the the training it was never made clear to me that the officers are expected to be at the training twice a year

00:44:56

Which is not a big deal. I mean it's two weekends a year

00:44:58

Except that the area director is not very organized either and so

00:45:03

Like last minute

00:45:06

Told us hey you need a whole bunch of officers at the spring training

00:45:09

Here are the four dates and all of the dates happen to be while our family was in florida for our family vacation

00:45:17

Which we're only there for like two weeks, but it was like last minute like you're expected to be at one of these and i'm like um

00:45:23

Can't do it, you know and so like I don't like feeling like i'm letting people down

00:45:28

And I don't want to be responsible for the downfall of the club

00:45:31

So, uh, you know when they were talking about elections this year i'm like, you know what?

00:45:36

I just don't I don't think I can do it. I want to make the I want to help make the club successful

00:45:41

I'm willing to jump in and do you know, whatever I can but I don't think I can commit

00:45:47

to these expectations especially given the fact that we're going to have our fifth kid in september

00:45:53

So I withdrew actually as president of toastmasters

00:45:56

For the time being and i'm sure I will get involved with it again because I really think that there's a ton of value in the organization

00:46:02

But it's just not something that I could do right now. So a recent example of me trimming my my titles and roles

00:46:09

Well, that's intense like I

00:46:13

See, I don't have a problem telling people that I can't make something that I should be in charge of or

00:46:19

Should lead like I don't have a problem telling people no to that when it's their fault that I didn't know anything about it

00:46:25

Like that's not something I struggle like this is your deal

00:46:28

If you want this to happen, you need to clean this up like I don't have a problem doing that

00:46:32

But it's well, I didn't I didn't think it was really that it was more so like the

00:46:39

personalities of the people who were supposed to be helping me were

00:46:43

uh

00:46:44

Not the way I would have approached things and that's not necessarily a bad thing

00:46:47

But it's more so like oh, don't worry about it. We'll figure it out

00:46:50

You know, just show up and we'll we'll do the best we can and you know, it always ends up being really good

00:46:56

but

00:46:57

It's really stressful for me and uh

00:46:59

It's just not something that I you know stress is not something that I need right now

00:47:03

Right. So uh, you know, I I respectfully said, you know, I'm definitely interested in helping move the club forward

00:47:11

Uh, definitely want to be an officer in the future, but you know for this season

00:47:14

I don't think I can commit to this and I don't because I don't I don't want to

00:47:18

Uh, I don't want to say yes, I'm going to do this and then not be able to do it. I don't think that's fair

00:47:22

So

00:47:24

But yeah, it turned turned out fine. No, we're all still friends

00:47:27

Well, that's good positive side here. Yep

00:47:32

So you got one more here on the list

00:47:35

Yeah, and this is the one that uh, I'm not sure how to

00:47:39

Identify as like, okay. This is done. Uh, this is recognized problems as opportunities to invest

00:47:43

um

00:47:46

Yeah, I

00:47:47

I don't think that I have made much progress on this one

00:47:51

Uh, and I think that it's

00:47:53

One of those things that I just need to be more consciously aware of

00:47:58

Um, so it's a good reminder to see it on the list here again, but I don't know how to mark it off as done

00:48:03

Uh, and I do know that this is

00:48:06

Not my natural personality

00:48:09

Uh, I view problems as problems

00:48:11

They need to be fixed

00:48:13

So, um

00:48:15

It's not an opportunity

00:48:16

This is an issue that needs resolved

00:48:18

Yeah, yeah, that well naturally speaking. Yeah, I guess so I gotta

00:48:23

Got to figure out a way to fix that, but I I don't know what that is

00:48:26

Any ideas

00:48:29

Let me know at bobblehead joe

00:48:34

Well, good luck with that one. I think that one's more of a mindset that takes a lot of time to shift

00:48:38

Yeah, so that yeah good luck with that and that honestly that one plays in pretty well to

00:48:43

Our book for today the go getter by petr kind because

00:48:48

so much of this is about

00:48:51

Overcoming problems to do something positive. That's kind of how I took it anyway

00:48:55

So anyway, the go getter by petr kind uh, this is uh, this is on the dave ramsie list of books

00:49:01

So this is a very short book a very quick read

00:49:05

Doesn't play into our normal nonfiction world very well

00:49:10

Uh, I believe this is a completely fiction story. I don't think there's any truth to this one

00:49:16

At all honestly, I kind of hope there's not

00:49:19

I feel sorry for the poor chap if that's

00:49:23

If that's what he actually went through but the uh, it's a short story for sure

00:49:30

I sat down and read it in about 40 minutes or so and it's primarily about a

00:49:35

a soldier who comes back from

00:49:38

What war was it mike was a world war one?

00:49:42

I believe so it was the first or second world war. I forget which one it was

00:49:46

um

00:49:49

Sorry military people

00:49:51

Um, so he comes back from the war

00:49:54

He's looking for a job. He's given a job and he works his way up through the ranks

00:50:00

but then he's put to a test

00:50:02

and

00:50:04

The test is one that shows whether he's willing to go and succeed

00:50:09

Through anything and everything or if he's gonna fail

00:50:12

That's basically the story. Is that fair?

00:50:16

Yep, yeah, and uh, I would add though that uh, even the way that he got the job was kind of

00:50:24

um

00:50:26

Like he had to overcome adversity even before he got the job because the the two

00:50:30

People who were in charge of the like the day-to-day stuff

00:50:33

Didn't want to hire him and so he basically like went to them

00:50:36

And they gave him the run around and so he went essentially over their heads to their boss

00:50:42

And who happened to also be a military guy and he hired him on the spot

00:50:47

And so like his managers that were that he was reporting to

00:50:51

from the very beginning didn't like him

00:50:55

so that uh

00:50:56

Like right when he right from the very beginning he he had

00:50:59

Uh, he had to dig out of a hole essentially. Yeah. Yep

00:51:03

So I I put on our outline here. What is a go-getter?

00:51:07

And I don't know that I have any answer to this. I I've spent a little bit of time trying to nail down. What would how would you define a go-getter?

00:51:14

and

00:51:16

The best way I've been able to come up with it at least for a definition if if that's what i'm shooting for here is that

00:51:23

it it comes down to someone who

00:51:25

Is given a task or decides on a task or project that needs done

00:51:30

And will do anything and everything they possibly can

00:51:35

Uh morally and ethically correct

00:51:38

Positive without breaking the law or anything they will go as far as they can to succeed in that task

00:51:45

And do anything they possibly can to do that. That's

00:51:49

Basically what I would say as a go-getter and the the gentleman in the story

00:51:53

Does that for sure

00:51:56

Well above and beyond what you would anywhere expect like I was reading through this mic thinking holy cow

00:52:02

I would have stopped like three trials ago

00:52:04

You are still here trying to figure out you you missed your deadline and yet you're still going like oh, okay

00:52:11

not me

00:52:14

Yeah, so just to kind of recap the story what happens is that this guy

00:52:19

gets gets hired and

00:52:22

uh, the managers don't like him, but he's

00:52:25

Very persistent and he ends up being pretty successful like they give him the the worst type of lumber to sell and he sells it

00:52:33

Much higher than they they thought that he would

00:52:35

So he's being very successful

00:52:38

And then the the main character the capy ricks or whatever his name is

00:52:42

The the father figure who owns technically like controls the business

00:52:47

He tells his uh his managers one of them. I think is his son-in-law

00:52:52

That they're going to put this guy to the test and they're going to have him deliver this blue vase

00:52:57

He's very specific

00:52:59

About how he wants this face delivered. He doesn't give a whole bunch of details. He's just like hey

00:53:05

I saw this blue vase downtown. I want you to pick this up and bring it to me on this train at this specific time

00:53:11

and so

00:53:13

uh, it's kind of this

00:53:15

Manufactured test where they they put up as many obstacles as they can to see if the person that they're given this test too

00:53:23

uh has the the ability to overcome them

00:53:27

And uh, I think they had said that the only other person who had actually done it was the guy who smashed the window and grabbed it

00:53:35

Yes

00:53:37

So uh at the end of the story, you know when he actually delivers the blue vase there like astonished that he was able to do this

00:53:44

Um and the obstacles that they put in his way are pretty crazy. So he tells them

00:53:48

Initially like go get this blue vase. It's on the street

00:53:52

And so he's like if you have to pay any any money for it. Just you know tell

00:53:57

Tell the accountant they'll reimburse you

00:54:00

Uh just get this face and bring it to me because I need it for I think he was going to give it as a gift for his wife

00:54:06

Is that correct? Uh it was a wife's friend who collected vases

00:54:09

Okay

00:54:12

But it's like a totally personal thing. It's not professional at all

00:54:15

He's just like I want this face. Can you do this for me? He's like a personal favor

00:54:19

And you guys like yeah, sure that's no problem

00:54:21

So he goes downtown and he can't find it and he goes up and down all these different streets

00:54:25

And he finally finds it like four blocks from where he said it was going to be

00:54:30

Uh and it's in the store and the the store is mislabeled

00:54:34

So he's going and he's calling all these people in the the phone book who have a last name

00:54:39

That's even closed to what he was originally told which I don't know that I would have done to begin

00:54:45

Yeah, this obstacle number one. I don't think I would have got there

00:54:49

Right because the the store is closed. So he's got to try to find the owner. He eventually tracks down the owner

00:54:55

He's like well i'm out of town. You could talk to this guy. He'll sell it to you. So he goes talks to that guy

00:54:59

He's like well, this vase is like ten thousand dollars and 19 20 money

00:55:03

You know, so it's a ton of money

00:55:05

And so he goes and he gets like this diamond ring that he had

00:55:08

Leaves it as collateral for this vase, which was originally going to be like five bucks

00:55:12

I think it was originally told they get they wanted two thousand for it

00:55:16

But the guy actually paid 15 cents for it

00:55:19

Right. Yeah, I mean it's it's absolutely worthless

00:55:23

But uh, even the way that it was framed initially though. He's like this face is you know, it's it's a nice face

00:55:29

But it's not a super super valuable vase like it's he made it

00:55:32

He did not give the impression that this was going to be a very very

00:55:37

Expensive item and it turns out that he has to go

00:55:41

Leave like his most prized possession as collateral just for the guy to you know to sell it to him

00:55:47

Uh, and then like he can't find the guy on the train and like the one thing after another

00:55:53

But he he just he perseveres and overcomes all of these obstacles and then he gets on the train with this guy

00:55:59

Like you said he was supposed to meet him at one specific train. I think at like seven at night

00:56:03

Uh, but he can't can't get there. So he works like through the night to get this thing eventually shows up at the train car at like 3 a.m

00:56:10

Wakes the guy up. He's like here's your face and he's like, what are you doing here?

00:56:15

Like how did you do this?

00:56:16

And he explains everything and he's like this was a test and then he's he's like, I'm gonna kill you

00:56:21

I was like I want to put you through the wall

00:56:24

Yeah, but it was it was a test to pick the person that was going to manage this important branch of their company essentially

00:56:31

So he ends up getting like a really really awesome job out of it

00:56:35

Because he was able to overcome all of these trials, but yeah, I mean the deck was stacked against him and it was kind of

00:56:41

I think personally that the the test was kind of created to identify the point at which he was quit like they didn't

00:56:48

It didn't seem to me like they anticipated that he was actually going to be successful

00:56:52

Because you know the stores closed and at one point he's thinking about breaking the window and buying it

00:56:56

But they had even positioned like a policeman right in front of the store people off on all this of course

00:57:01

Yeah, like every single thing that could go wrong goes wrong and he's still able to to deliver the the vase

00:57:08

You know, obviously a great personal expense

00:57:10

But uh, yeah, so it's a very extreme example of a quote unquote go getter

00:57:15

But I really like this story because at least I'd like to think that I personally

00:57:20

Identify with some of the stuff. There's no way I admit, you know, you mentioned at the beginning

00:57:24

I wouldn't have done all that stuff me either

00:57:26

But I think that there's there's value in just the the mindset

00:57:30

And recognizing that you know, you don't have to be in that specific situation

00:57:35

As long as you have that mindset that like this is not going to stop me, you know

00:57:39

Going back to grit by Angela Duckworth that it doesn't matter what happens

00:57:45

To me or what what the circumstances are going to say like I'm so focused on my end result

00:57:50

I'm so focused on that goal that I'm not going to be deterred by it

00:57:52

I think that that if you just have that mindset you don't have to go through all of the hardship that this guy went through

00:57:59

You're going to overcome a lot of obstacles if you have one tenth of the go-getter of ness

00:58:05

That this guy did

00:58:08

freeze coined

00:58:11

Yeah, this is this is one. It's a bit convicting to try to figure out

00:58:15

Where at this point in this story what I have stopped and

00:58:19

It's kind of sad when you stop and think about where I would have quit

00:58:22

On this like I don't think I would have tried that hard. I would have looked for something a lot easier or a different way to do it

00:58:28

Maybe just I probably would have called the guy up and said hey

00:58:31

This is what they want for. Are you sure about this? Like I probably would have been wanting to contact him

00:58:38

Is like I don't know that this is what you thought. Are you sure to give me some more information?

00:58:43

Like that's kind of what I would have done just to try to find a way

00:58:47

to make it easier potentially or

00:58:50

To even find a way out of it hoping they'll say oh no I didn't want that not for that mount like oh

00:58:56

Okay, well then I can go home and cook dinner and go to bed like

00:58:59

That's what I'm thinking

00:59:02

Yeah, I definitely would have

00:59:05

Sawed some clarification. I'm like well. I don't think this is really what you had in mind

00:59:10

You know, this is what it costs. You sure you want want me to follow through with this

00:59:13

I definitely though

00:59:15

I think if you're going to pick like one specific point where I would have given up on this

00:59:20

It probably would have been when he said I need it delivered to this train station by

00:59:26

7 pm and 7 pm had come and gone. I'd be like well

00:59:29

I did everything that I could to get it there by that time

00:59:32

But there's no way that he wants it after 7 pm. He's gone like that's definitely where I would have drawn the line

00:59:37

But yeah to think through like I've got a buddy that can fly me over there faster

00:59:41

Like to think through that and then call in a favor of that size

00:59:46

To do that

00:59:49

Wow, not me

00:59:50

I think I'm with you if I had gone that far if I had stuck with it that long which I don't think I would have

00:59:56

I I think at that point when the time has passed

01:00:00

And it called it quits

01:00:02

Yeah

01:00:05

This is a really convicting story because I think that everybody who reads this maybe that maybe this is the point of the story

01:00:11

Is that you you try to put yourself in the shoes of of the guy who's overcoming all the obstacles of persevering and actually is like the gold getter

01:00:20

But I think everybody who reads this is going to identify some point where they're like, uh, yeah, that's enough

01:00:25

Right, right

01:00:28

Well, I know like this is a short one so I'm sure our conversation on this book is going to be short

01:00:32

But that works out because we had a lot of follow-up stuff to work through but I know that

01:00:37

It's very easy to read this say oh, yeah, that's exciting and it's it's motivating and I should be better at being a go-getter

01:00:44

When I'm not

01:00:45

But I wanted to take this a little bit and I'm curious what your thoughts are on this and what you would do with it

01:00:51

But I was trying to think through specific projects where I want to be better about going after things

01:00:58

and be better about being a go-getter for those specific projects

01:01:03

I don't know that in my lifestyle that being a go-getter in everything is wise

01:01:09

I think no I don't think that's smart. You got to take a break at some point

01:01:13

um

01:01:16

But for me, I know that

01:01:18

I want to try to focus on a couple projects

01:01:20

And be better about going after things

01:01:23

You know one of those is one that I've been slowly working my way into with

01:01:27

with uh discourse league and working to build that out

01:01:31

I could get that done faster and better if I went after it instead of just putts it around with it here and there

01:01:39

So I want to be better about that. It's something that josh has been helping me with over on the other podcast

01:01:45

Um, so I I've been trying to be better at that, but this is very convicting

01:01:51

For me, so I'm curious Mike. Do you have anything specific that you wanted to apply this to or do you feel like you're pretty good at this enough

01:01:57

So that you don't want to focus any on anything

01:02:00

No, I'm glad that you uh, you put that on here

01:02:03

This is actually something that I didn't phrase it this way, but I've been thinking about like what are my

01:02:09

Copyright Jim Collins, you know big hairy audacious goals

01:02:12

Right and uh, there's two things that when I read this i'm like, yeah, these are going to happen

01:02:18

Um, number one is I want to get a book deal

01:02:22

So I wrote so published my my own book

01:02:25

But I definitely want to at some point like actually get a deal with a publisher get paid to write a book

01:02:31

Now it doesn't matter if it's you know, new york times bestseller or anything, but like that's something that I think

01:02:37

uh, I can

01:02:39

I don't know. It's it's a big goal and it's not something that I've done before but it's not something that's completely outside the realm of

01:02:47

Possibility at this point in my career like I feel like I've in the words of cal Newport developed enough career capital where

01:02:53

I could write a pretty good book proposal and people would look at and be like, yeah, this guy

01:02:57

He could do this, you know

01:02:58

So that's that's one thing that I want to apply the go getter mindset to like it's going to happen no matter what

01:03:03

The other one is give a ted talk

01:03:06

And I've submitted a couple different places to give a ted talk

01:03:09

I am probably not the person at this point that ted is looking for

01:03:14

because I'm recognizing every time I fill out one of these applications that

01:03:17

my idea

01:03:20

I think needs to be

01:03:23

Um, not clarified not necessarily like hone, but kind of I don't know distilled a little bit more

01:03:30

It needs to evolve a little bit into the type of thing that ted is looking for at least ted x like the ones that i've

01:03:36

Submitted to are looking for

01:03:40

I've submitted to chicago. I was submitted to ash gosh. I was going to submit to many apples put that one disappeared from the website

01:03:46

I don't know why

01:03:47

Okay, that's interesting. I didn't know that yeah, i'm submitting to uh to naperville to omaha

01:03:52

You know, i'm just going to keep keep doing this and eventually, you know

01:03:55

Hopefully I can talk to somebody who can tell me that process is

01:03:58

Kind of dumb because they you know

01:04:00

They they tell you if you're selected as a finalist

01:04:03

But what I really would love is some sort of feedback like any any person that I could talk to you be like well

01:04:08

Yeah, we didn't select you because of this like that would be really helpful

01:04:11

But that's not part of the process at least that i've seen so far

01:04:14

So you don't get any feedback on yes on why the yes or no

01:04:17

Nope, uh not so far anyways and they're all independently organized

01:04:22

So i'm sure that like if I find the right one

01:04:25

I will be able to follow up and ask that but I haven't yet. It's just like fill out this form online great

01:04:31

Thank you for submitting

01:04:33

We'll let you know if you're selected as a finalist in a couple weeks sort of a thing

01:04:38

So teddex minneapolis 2017 coming on august 18th

01:04:41

Uh, they have a button here submit an idea

01:04:44

Yeah, that uh was not there yesterday. I don't know maybe they

01:04:49

It was there and then like I have a list of all the different local quote-unquote local like ones that are are close by

01:04:56

um teddex

01:04:59

Events that are accepting applications and so that one was on the original

01:05:04

teddex website where they have like a map of the united states and they have all the

01:05:09

The individual things that you can click on and see this is the contact person. This is the link to submit

01:05:13

Yesterday that one was down. So i'll have to check that again

01:05:17

So but also if it's in august that's probably too tight a turnaround

01:05:21

They're probably pretty far in the process already maybe i don't know

01:05:24

I wouldn't think they'd have the button up there if that was the case

01:05:27

True true and especially if they took it down yesterday anyway teddex minneapolis.com

01:05:33

All right action item and go

01:05:36

But yeah, those two specific things I think are the ones that can benefit the most from this mindset

01:05:45

Um, but also I think I have to be careful in applying this mindset because like you said you can't just apply this to everything

01:05:51

And also I think how you apply it is important because you have to be

01:05:56

Uh, evaluating like whether what you're doing is working

01:06:01

Especially if it's something that you've not really done before

01:06:04

Like I

01:06:05

I kind of get the picture from this book that this guy he's applying at this lumber company

01:06:09

I don't know that he's ever really sold lumber before but he's

01:06:13

Selling himself in the beginning of the book as a salesman

01:06:17

And so he kind of my vision here is that like he kind of thinks that he can adapt his skill set to

01:06:22

whatever the job entails and

01:06:25

That's kind of the approach with these two

01:06:29

uh, behags if you know big area audacious goals. Yep, um copyright gym cons

01:06:34

But uh, I don't know exactly what the specifics are like

01:06:40

I think it's a lot of trial and error

01:06:43

You know you fill out a book proposal and it gets rejected and then you have to ask yourself why because

01:06:48

You're probably not going to get a big lengthy explanation. I'm like, oh, we really like this part, but not this part

01:06:54

so I think that just applying like a

01:06:58

Nose down just push through attitude isn't necessarily a good thing either

01:07:03

Like you have to constantly be like you have to be pushing through but then you have to set back and you have to look at

01:07:08

You know, what is this working? Is this not working and then course correct?

01:07:11

Makes sense. I want to apply this a little bit more to

01:07:14

My business in general like I talked about the the discourse league piece

01:07:19

but to me that's

01:07:21

one smaller ask

01:07:23

one smaller aspect to a

01:07:25

bigger

01:07:27

You know to use a bhag

01:07:29

If I was going to have a bhag it would be to

01:07:32

generate over half of my income from

01:07:36

recurring passive and and focus on that a little bit because

01:07:41

I know that

01:07:44

It it frees me up quite a bit and the types of tools and services that typically

01:07:49

Are created for those types of systems?

01:07:54

Are the ones that I really love doing so that's that's where some of that comes in because I want that to be

01:07:59

I want that to be a larger part of the pie in my business's income so

01:08:06

If i'm going to do that, I really kind of have to go after it

01:08:10

It's not going to be something that's going to slowly develop the way I think it will

01:08:13

It really needs a bunch of action up front and I just haven't done that so

01:08:19

Convicting time for joe

01:08:24

Well, I also think that it's interesting like you can apply this to your business

01:08:27

But I like the way that you applied it to your business where it's not

01:08:30

I'm going to apply this mindset to this specific project

01:08:32

But it's more conceptually. I want 50 percent of my income to come from right passive stuff

01:08:37

because I definitely see how you can apply this on the

01:08:41

I guess that would be a micro level like individual projects pushed through till this thing gets done right? I mean

01:08:48

We're working on a presentation by the time this airs

01:08:52

It'll already have happened for asian efficiency on the whole concept of focus

01:08:56

And we've basically been like I've rewrote the entire

01:09:00

presentation and there's

01:09:02

276 slides or something like that the previous one was like 90. Yeah

01:09:07

and uh

01:09:09

I've been working really really hard on this it happens june 13th. So

01:09:15

By the time this publishes, it'll definitely have occurred, but like

01:09:20

It's a very open-ended project with the goal of delivering as much value as we can to the people who sign up

01:09:26

Yeah, so the go getter mindset as it applies to that project is

01:09:31

You know, we go through this sprint meeting and we identify this is worth 13 story points or whatever

01:09:37

and then

01:09:38

me spending probably you know from naturally speaking, you know way too much time on this project

01:09:45

uh to make it as awesome as I can

01:09:48

but the end result

01:09:50

I believe is going to be worth it

01:09:53

And so I think that the go getter mindset you can apply this to individual projects as well

01:09:59

Coupled with like from the eulogy the whole spirit of excellence thing like I want the things that I do to be as good

01:10:05

As they possibly can I don't want to do anything halfway. I don't want to just mail it in

01:10:10

Uh, and so I think that there is a lot of value in approaching this not from like how do I change my whole?

01:10:18

Lifestyle or my professional trajectory

01:10:21

But how do I apply this to the individual things that I am committed to? I think there's a lot of value in that as well

01:10:28

So we've been going on this one for a little bit and I know it's short

01:10:32

So we're gonna end up getting through it quick and we did a ton of follow-up earlier. So

01:10:35

Let's jump into action items here. I only have one

01:10:39

And we talked a little bit about this. So I'm not gonna rehash the whole project thing that we just went through

01:10:45

So maybe we've been doing action items already Mike. We just didn't admit it

01:10:48

But I have one explicitly that I want to call out because I want to start using the phrase it shall be done

01:10:54

Because that was the that was the indicator that

01:10:58

The the go getter in the story would use and there's a whole backstory to it

01:11:03

Then I'm not going to go into right now

01:11:04

But uh, if you're interested in that pick up the book and read it's cheap quick read

01:11:08

but it's uh

01:11:11

Whenever he would use the phrase is shall be done

01:11:14

That was his internal indicator that I will bend over backwards and do anything and everything I can to make this thing happen

01:11:20

and

01:11:21

That's something I can get behind. I like the idea of having that indicator a verbal indicator

01:11:26

That this is something i'm going to go after so

01:11:29

Mike i'm going after the the 50 percent of my income from recurring passive. It shall be done. There you go

01:11:36

Nice

01:11:38

Uh, yeah, honestly, I don't have any specific action items for this book

01:11:43

Uh, as soon as I picked it up, I'm like, oh boy. I'm not gonna have any I know basically a story

01:11:48

Uh, but I will I will point out two other things

01:11:52

Um, which maybe we can kind of morph these into action items

01:11:56

Uh, but in the version that I I got I got the hardcover version from amazon

01:12:01

at the end of the book there's like the afterword

01:12:04

and then there's a couple different sections on

01:12:08

their interpretation of

01:12:10

Like some of the the themes from the book and there were two in particular that stood out to me

01:12:15

Uh, number one was letting go

01:12:18

Did you did you see this section in your version? No, I had the paper version. I don't have this

01:12:24

Okay, so there's this like I got yet to there's like a two-page chapter

01:12:28

Essentially at the end of the book on letting go and they're basically interpreting the events of the book

01:12:33

But in the letting go section what they talked about was that

01:12:37

Rick's capby ricks, which is like the old guy in charge of the the business

01:12:40

He's passed responsibility for the business to the two managers including his son-in-law

01:12:46

But you can tell from the story that he's not actually given them the authority to actually perform the responsibility

01:12:54

So it's like you guys are supposed to be running this thing and then he jumps in and

01:12:58

Metals and he's like, I don't know why you guys can't run this thing

01:13:01

I'm gonna take over but I want you to take over

01:13:07

And I I totally get how this can be very very difficult

01:13:10

I and and this is actually something that I have dealt with in the the family business

01:13:16

is uh for a long time my dad has mentioned like he's

01:13:20

technically a retirement age but

01:13:23

Uh, he doesn't really want to retire he doesn't really need to retire

01:13:27

But at the same time like he wants to have the flexibility to go do stuff

01:13:30

So he's set over and over again like he wants

01:13:32

He's wanted me and this other guy to take over the business and for years

01:13:37

Uh, we felt stuck because it's like I want you to have the responsibility of making this thing work

01:13:44

But at the same time

01:13:46

I want to make sure that things are done my way if that makes sense and his business, you know same capy ricks

01:13:52

Like he's got the right

01:13:53

To jump in and control the decisions at any given time

01:13:57

But it got to the point for me where I was just like I can't handle this

01:14:00

I feel all the weight and the stress of the responsibility

01:14:03

But I feel like I cannot personally do anything about it

01:14:07

So uh, that was that was uh really interesting to to see like I know I know how that feels

01:14:14

And I don't know necessarily what the solution is but and that's not the main point of the book

01:14:18

It's just one one scenario from the very beginning which

01:14:22

I I think it just kind of shows that like there's a lot more to this if you were to really dissect this

01:14:27

Yeah, there's a lot of like sub stories that seem to flow through it. So exactly

01:14:33

But it's not it's not necessarily like this is the situation and this is what you can learn from it

01:14:38

You can kind of apply your own

01:14:40

Um interpretation of these events to tell a lot of different narratives

01:14:45

I think that's the kind of what I'm doing with the letting go section, but

01:14:48

I don't know I can I can see how that

01:14:51

How that could play out and what that does to me is I read the story is it just

01:14:56

Helps it resonate with me even more. So I thought that was really cool. Maybe this is getting into like author style

01:15:02

But I thought that was really cool and the other thing and this is maybe the action item one is the stick to your game part

01:15:07

And this the main takeaway from from this was to know your gifts and your limitations

01:15:15

So they had talked about at the beginning of the book

01:15:17

They were expanding into all these different markets and some of them were doing well some of them weren't

01:15:22

so like

01:15:25

What had happened was the the company had kind of overextended itself

01:15:29

And the the the section title stick to your game, essentially what they're saying is

01:15:33

Identify the things that you're really good at your core competencies the things that you know

01:15:38

Only you can do your unfair advantage in terms of marketing speak

01:15:41

And and stick to those things know

01:15:44

What you're really good at know where you're limited and

01:15:48

Don't necessarily try to develop your weaknesses double down on your strengths

01:15:53

Which is a maybe it's a little bit different way of

01:15:57

Looking at things especially the way that people are are naturally

01:16:01

Wired I think is we tend to think like well, I'm not good at this thing

01:16:06

I should get good at this thing

01:16:08

But from a business perspective know what you should do is you should hire somebody who's really good at that thing

01:16:12

And work with them

01:16:15

So that you can focus on the thing that you're really good at

01:16:17

So

01:16:20

I don't know, you know how specifically to make that an action item

01:16:22

But just be aware of I guess you know, what are my strengths and then how do I continue to develop those and maximize those as opposed to

01:16:30

Trying to fix all the things that I can do, but I'm not really that great at makes sense. So it sounds like you like his style

01:16:37

I do like his style. Uh, it's not necessarily a great bookworm style

01:16:45

I wondered about that once I got into it

01:16:49

But it is a very very fun read is a very entertaining read. I read it in in one sitting

01:16:54

I think it took me, you know, 40 minutes or something like that

01:16:57

It's uh, it's very short and there's a lot a lot in there. I intend to go back and read it again

01:17:03

Uh

01:17:05

But uh, yeah, it's not the kind of thing that we typically read and I think that's good

01:17:09

It's it's a breath of fresh air to read something in a different narrative style like this

01:17:16

But it's still got a lot in it that you can definitely learn from an apply to your own life

01:17:22

It's just not presented as a like this is these are the three things that you need to do to achieve x

01:17:26

It's uh, it's the anti 10x rule

01:17:29

There you go

01:17:33

No, I I would agree with you. This is definitely different for

01:17:36

Bookworm, which I kind of like, you know, I like breaking the mold once in a while

01:17:40

But uh, like you said, it's it's very easy to read you sit down and it's interest

01:17:45

It's engaging enough that you don't want to stop reading because it's like, okay

01:17:49

Well, he figured out how to who to call

01:17:51

And then he found the vase. Well, how's he gonna get it?

01:17:54

Out of it. How's he gonna pay for that? Like that's crazy high number like so I kept being curious about it

01:18:00

What comes next? So I really?

01:18:02

Enjoyed that part of it. Uh, but like you said, it's quick. It's different

01:18:06

But uh, it's one of those that's

01:18:09

Almost parable like where you have to interpret and it's probably gonna be something that comes back. It's like, oh, yeah

01:18:15

That's right. This could have been

01:18:17

A way to think about this particular scenario like I you run across a

01:18:21

Relationship with somebody that you've had some business interactions with. Oh, right. You work this way. You're a go-getter

01:18:28

Okay, like it is just helpful to have some of that stored in the backside of your brain

01:18:33

Uh, so yeah

01:18:37

So I I really liked it because of that and you know for a rating here

01:18:42

I struggled with how to do this because it's so different than what we've been doing

01:18:46

like, okay, well

01:18:49

I I love the story. I I love the premise behind it

01:18:52

I wish it was longer and maybe that's the only thing I can fault it with

01:18:57

Uh, I I kind of wish I'd had your aversion now

01:19:00

To have some of the the breakdown pieces at the end because I did not have that

01:19:04

So i'm a bit jealous there

01:19:06

Uh, the best I can come up with on how to rate this is that I only wish it was longer

01:19:11

But I loved it and I don't know that I would recommend it to people because it's sort of a thing that

01:19:15

You just have to kind of want something quick to pick up and read and I don't really know many people who do that

01:19:21

So I'm not sure if I could recommend it, but I am gonna put it at a four stars just because I love it

01:19:27

But I don't know

01:19:29

It's far from a five star in my mind, but I don't want to give it a two or three. Okay

01:19:34

This is weird

01:19:36

So i'm gonna put it at four

01:19:38

Fair enough. Um

01:19:40

I actually found the the writing style. Well after I got used to it a little a little bit

01:19:44

It I liked it more, but I I found it kind of distracting

01:19:47

And that's just I'm sure the the period that it was was written in like it

01:19:51

Had to reread some stuff in order to understand it which

01:19:54

It's kind of surprising to me, but it was a great story

01:19:58

Um, the version that I got by the way, I think maybe it was republished by dave ramsi

01:20:03

He did the the forward for the version that I have oh that makes sense

01:20:07

And in the forward he talks about how he found this story because he had this old guy

01:20:14

Who was a mentor for him and he passed away and he had this library of books and he had left a whole bunch of books to

01:20:20

Dave ramsi like specific once what he had done before he died as he went in each book

01:20:25

And he wrote the person that he wanted to give it to wow

01:20:28

Yeah, which I thought was really cool. So maybe that's an action item for me

01:20:32

There's no way you'll be able to hold me accountable for this, but to have a library that I can give away

01:20:37

Every book when you get down with it right a person's name in the front of it

01:20:40

Yeah, um, so I thought that that was a super cool idea

01:20:45

Uh very cool story very fun entertaining story. Uh, the characters were

01:20:52

very

01:20:55

I don't want to say likeable because some of them were kind of cantankerous and ornery

01:20:59

But I don't know very personable like you felt like you really understood

01:21:05

Who they were and what they were going through at least I did and then again, maybe that's like the letting go section

01:21:09

Where like I resonated with the situation

01:21:11

right, um

01:21:13

But I also think that it's not in my opinion like a life-changing book

01:21:18

it's just

01:21:20

a really cool story

01:21:21

so

01:21:23

I think that I probably would recommend this one just because

01:21:26

It's entertaining and it's probably a great intro to people who maybe don't necessarily

01:21:34

Read the type of books that we typically cover on bookworm

01:21:36

I think it's like a great first step for that, but I also think like as I was taking notes on this

01:21:42

I had almost no notes

01:21:45

So I didn't underline anything in this one from a bookworm perspective

01:21:51

Uh, I'm gonna actually go three and a half stars

01:21:55

And I think like again, that's just from a bookworm perspective

01:22:00

Uh, this is definitely something that I'm glad that I have in my library

01:22:03

And I think it's gonna be the great I think it's gonna be a great book for the right person

01:22:09

Um, but if you're really looking for

01:22:12

Maximizing your personal development or whatever

01:22:15

You know coming from seven habits of how they affected people to this is quite a shock

01:22:20

very different

01:22:23

We'll think talking about the transitions. What's coming up next?

01:22:29

Uh next book is going to be five dysfunctions of a team by patrick lenseoni

01:22:33

Which is my pick a love patrick lenseoni and this book is amazing

01:22:38

And really I just want to do it because we need to have a bookworm episode on this book

01:22:44

Okay, because is this one that you you want to link to this one in the future so we need to do it

01:22:50

Maybe uh, this is a book that

01:22:54

Tan actually makes everybody read when they join the asian efficiency team. So this is

01:22:59

In his dave ramsie collection, I guess nice so tan has his own dave ramsie list

01:23:05

Yep

01:23:07

Nice. So after five dysfunctions of a team

01:23:10

Uh, I've selected the power of a positive no by william yuri and this is uh, I believe this is one on our recommendations list

01:23:19

So I have swiped it from there

01:23:22

And uh, yeah, this is one of those classics that I think people refer to quite a bit and I've not read it

01:23:28

So I feel bad for not having read it. So i'm gonna make you read it with me, Mike

01:23:32

Nice

01:23:34

So what do you got in between you're in there?

01:23:36

Okay, I've actually got a gap book that I have in my possession already called make your bed by admiral william macraven

01:23:45

And this was inspired by

01:23:49

An art of manliness podcast episode. I know you listened to that occasionally

01:23:54

Did you happen to to listen to this episode? I didn't listen to this one, but

01:23:58

I need to

01:24:01

Okay, so yeah, this guy

01:24:03

Essentially he trains

01:24:05

Or has trained uh navy seals and actually his personal story they get into

01:24:10

In uh in the book and some of the stuff that he's had to overcome

01:24:14

uh, but really

01:24:16

The spirit of excellence and everything that you do essentially the idea behind the book

01:24:21

I haven't started reading it yet is that

01:24:23

Like how you approach anything is the way that you approach everything

01:24:26

And so from a navy seal perspective you're expected to have

01:24:29

Your bed made every single morning and it's supposed to be immaculate like everything's got to be exactly the the right way

01:24:35

And the podcast episode he shares a lot of personal stories about stuff that's happened in the way that he's trained navy seals and how they

01:24:41

How they just embrace this mindset to overcome

01:24:45

A lot of different obstacles like it's it's part of the training process and I just find that fascinating

01:24:51

Uh like there he tells one story in the podcast definitely go listen to the podcast

01:24:55

I put the link in the the notes here. So hopefully you can you can stick this in the show notes

01:25:00

He tells a story about how I can when you're during training

01:25:03

Very first thing they show you is this big bell in the middle of the compound

01:25:08

And he the uh the trainer comes and says, you know, if if at any point you want to go home

01:25:14

Just ring this bell you won't have to do the runs you won't have to do the the PT

01:25:18

You won't have to do any of the the stuff that we're gonna expose you to but then

01:25:21

I can tell you right now that if you if you ring that bell

01:25:25

You will regret it the rest of your life and so the the mantra is kind of don't ring the bell

01:25:29

And I think that there's a lot of parallels from that to just about any

01:25:34

Any situation so i'm really excited about this one

01:25:37

Interesting maybe I need to add that one to my list the one i'm the one i'm going through right now

01:25:42

I picked it up a couple days ago gaining ground by forest pritchered

01:25:46

It's interesting that you brought up art of maliness because because I discovered forest pritchered through art of maliness

01:25:51

uh forest rights

01:25:53

Uh a handful of articles out there that have to do with like gardening and farming and that sort of thing

01:25:59

Uh, but gaining ground is I guess it would be his memoir

01:26:02

of how he

01:26:05

took over the family farm

01:26:07

And took it from being a corn and soybean operation into a local foods and organic operation

01:26:12

And that is something I have quite a bit of an interest in so i'm gonna go through it i'm interested in it

01:26:18

There you go

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01:27:31

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