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So I released a thing Mike you did tell us about your thing. I

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Had fun releasing this

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Working with Omni focus 3.0

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The follower longtime followers of me know that I wrote a book about Omni focus way back

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2016 early 2016 I believe and then later in the year I released my first

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Ever video course on Omni focus and those actually are now for sale as well

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obviously for lower prices by a long shot, but I released the new version Mike and

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It's apparently very popular. I'm learning because people like it, which is exciting sweet

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Congratulations. Yeah, the the sad part about this is that so I'm doing some introductory

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Pricing on it and by the time this episode releases that will be done

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so

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It will no longer be at introductory prices, but I thought about this ahead of time Mike and

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I set up a discount code for bookworm listeners, which is

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drumroll please

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Bookworm all capital

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Wait, it doesn't have to be all capitals, but it could you know, whatever bookworm

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So if you go to learn that Joe Buellig.com

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And go to purchase the course

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Use the code bookworm and it'll get you back to the introductory pricing, so it'll take five bucks off the course

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So there you go working with Omni focus 3.0. It is now live very cool

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Congratulations on launching this I haven't gone through the whole thing

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But I took a look at some of the videos that you had in there and one of the things that stands out to me about this is

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It's not just the technical features or a system that you follow

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You have a whole video on philosophy for example. Yeah, so it's kind of understanding how the different pieces work and then

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allowing you to craft it and modify it to suit your needs which is really one of the strengths of

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Omni focus, but also one of the things that a lot of people probably never get to because it can be a little bit overwhelming

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So yeah, I hope that it continues to do very well for you and looks great

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Yeah, no, thanks because that was the main point of this one is

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Like the the older version is all the nuts and bolts of how you click here click there

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This is how it works now granted. It's on Omni focus to the old one is

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This one is high level like if you're looking for something it teaches you how to do

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Like what is a project where the types of projects go check out max barkies field guide or check out my old course

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Or go to learn Omni focus like go one of those places. This is not for you

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This is high level like how do you go about building your architecture? So it's

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Definitely on the upper horizon of things. So thus, you know philosophy. Anyway, there's that

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Follow-up from last week. You have a few action items here. You got to follow up on Mike

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We got using headspace still I am although I broke my streak because I forgot to meditate yesterday

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Mike my dual lingo streak is still going however, and today actually is day 100 nice

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Well done. So yeah, that's pretty cool. I really

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Like the meditation the dual lingo this is not a surprise to anybody who listens to this probably but

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These are all related in terms of me rethinking the intentionality behind my devices and trying to eliminate the

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the time wasters are the unconscious moments of interaction with my technology and

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This has been a very worthwhile

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Experiment speaking to the meditation specifically. I don't think I've done this consistently enough to say like oh yeah every single day

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I'm experiencing a

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Difference with this but I know that it's it's coming. I'm kind of mad that I broke my streak yesterday

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but

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It is something that I'm going to continue to keep doing. I do think this is going to stick and

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I really I really enjoy it. It's just yesterday was nuts. So it fell through the cracks

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Tell them I was probably the day you really needed it probably yeah

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Yeah, it's true

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the next item on my follow-up here, which is probably the fun one is

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the

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the create baseball cards from my family now I put a

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Link in the document here. I will also I'll copy this link right now and I'll paste this in the live chat

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I don't think this is something I want to release as part of the show notes yet because this isn't finished

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This is kind of a concept and I'll walk you through what I did here

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I just made this quickly and an omnigraphal and this is for me

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but this is what I think the

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Format of the card is going to look like I obviously want to make it a lot prettier

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I want to go into probably numbers and create like a table and on a 0 to 10 scale

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Recurate these Colby scores so they look a lot better than they do right now

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But I do want to have my Colby results here

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I want to have my top five strengths finders results here

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Remember that exercise where I sent you that email and I asked you basically what you considered my my strengths

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Oh, yeah

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Yeah, I did that to a bunch of people that's part of the unique ability

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Book that I was going through and I dug that stuff up and the exercise is you send that to a bunch of people

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Who know you pretty well and then you synthesize all the responses down into like your top five

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unique abilities and so that's what that next section is and

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Then the other piece for me just something that I want to be looking at all the time

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And it seemed to make sense on a baseball card is my life first. So this is a

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Bible passage I have Psalm 112 on here because that's the one that really means a lot to me and so that's all in the back of this

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This baseball card or will be on the back of a baseball card

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And I want to do something similar for everyone in my family not everybody has taken the Colby not everybody has done the strengths finder

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Everybody does have their own verse and in our family

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So that piece is already there and we've also got something

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Downstairs in our basement with all the different like character traits

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So not everybody has gone through the unique ability thing that I have on mind

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but we basically have like a list of the

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Positive traits that we see in our kids written down

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And so those are the types of things that I would put on their cards instead of their unique ability sure

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So the the card that you shared the link to that's yours. This is mine. It's a card for you

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Okay, again, this was sure if it was you or the kids

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Yeah, this is me just based on some of the things that I had already done I

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All of this stuff exists for me already

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So I was kind of playing around with the different elements and what might I want to be on here?

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Since I had these things

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These were kind of my building blocks or my Lego as I snap these together and tried to create a format that I

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liked you know

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Then once I have that and I think I'm pretty close to that obviously there's not a whole lot of formatting that's done to this

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I

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Want to make it a lot cleaner a lot prettier, but this is basically what they'll look like I think sure

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Well, it's kind of a cool concept

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um, I

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Would share it make it public come on Mike. You could do it. Okay, okay

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The other action item I had here, which is the hard one is embrace radical truth and radical transparency. However, I can

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Feel like I'm trying to do this. It's kind of interesting because

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There's not a whole lot of places that you can do this

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I'm finding you have to kind of

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Tip toe a little bit

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And it kind of feel things out before you really dive in with radical truth and radical transparency

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I do think that

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You can like for your family

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Embrace these and kind of set the tone for we're gonna always share what we're thinking and we're always gonna share what's true

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but

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There's a lot of other

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Scenarios where just because I recognize the value of this doesn't mean I just just get to spout off whatever I'm thinking

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so

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This one requires some

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discretion, I guess sure

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Yeah, cuz it's one of those that you have to build up

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You have to build up a lot of integrity with honesty and and a close relationship of trust with another person

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But you can do this that's what I was gonna say there really needs to be a solid foundation of trust before you can right

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Really do this and there are some places where I can do that

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But there are some places where I'd like to do that and I can't yet sure sure yeah

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Cuz bad things could happen if you start just you know, here's everything I've got going on and here's everything I think about your business

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Okay, I'm never talking to you again about this. Yeah, just because it's true doesn't necessarily mean it's helpful

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right for sure

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For sure well, I've got one action item to follow up on

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Systematizing my business decisions

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this

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Starts with data collection and at least in the way that I intend this action item which I have started

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I don't know that there's an easy way to follow up on this one Mike because it's gonna be something that's gonna have to take some time

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It's gonna be a longer term

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Process of developing that system but it has a lot to do with data and funnels and how do you go here versus there?

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Sometimes I see like sales funnels and stuff and I get a little squeamish

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Cuz it tends to take some of the personal touches out of those conversations. I don't want to do that so

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Trying to figure out how to do that on a larger scale is what I'm intending there

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So we'll see how it pans out in the long term

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I do have a lot of those systems in place for working with Omni focus to build that in the long term as well

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So yes, I've started that road

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Not really anything I can technically share on that quite yet because I have not embraced Mike's action item of radical

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transparency apparently

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So that's that's not something I do intend to do

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But I will likely share a lot of tips and tricks of what I learned along the way just because I have a tendency to do that so

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Yes, I think that's it for

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Action items which brings us to today's book which is

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You are awesome by Neil Pessrecha who has written two other books the book of awesome and the happiness equation

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Just want to point out again. We did we mentioned this last time, but this is we're going through advanced readers editions

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That were sent to us by Neil and his team

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so

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If you see some of the promo stuff we'll have for pictures for this

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You'll notice the cover on it looks slightly different namely a big black dot on it

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So there's that but I want to point that out because this was these these books were given to us

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We were not given any form of we would like you to say there was none of that

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So we're allowed to say whatever we want

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About these books and I'm glad that we get to do that because I really enjoyed this. This was an awesome read

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So I'm looking forward to getting into this one, but yes, you are awesome by Neil Pessrecha

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He's a New York Times million copy best-selling author tagline on this one is nine secrets to getting stronger and living in a tent

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Intentional life my tongue will work

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It was a great read I really liked going through this but he shares these nine secrets

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We'll go through each one of them

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But what were your first impressions on this mic?

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This was not the normal

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Type of book that we cover I feel like is the best way to describe it. It was kind of the anti principles

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Yeah, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it was a bad thing even though we both rated principles 5.0

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it's a very different and I would say and

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entertaining very

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Feels like you're being told a story as opposed to principles is like

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Forget all the personal stuff. Here's the facts

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Here's the systems and the machines that are working behind the scenes, right? This was more of an emotional read

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Neil's got a crazy story the whole

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launch pad for his

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career and his books

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was this blog that he started

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After his marriage fell apart and his best friend took his own life and that is one thousand awesome things one thousand awesome things

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come and

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He just decided that things are going terrible

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But I'm gonna find the things that are good and started blogging about the things that were awesome

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And these these posts on this website are great. Yes. Like one of them from November 19th

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Number 370 this is backing your car into the driveway. There's a picture of a car like facing the street

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And then the whole post says and driving it right out awesome

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So

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So that kind of gives you a little little taste of what what this book is all about

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there's there's not a lot of

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I don't know how to just how to say this without it sounding kind of bad

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But like there's not a lot of meat to this book compared to

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Principles like principles you kind of have to read it probably five times in order to digest the the gist of it

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This one is a lot easier to sit down and read because he's telling you his story

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And so after you you read it you that the real impact is in the story that he tells and kind of the

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the attitude that you feel

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Towards your own situation and recognizing that you have the ability to kind of change that but it's not a

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bunch of lists of things and like a thousand different things that you're gonna need to remember and apply at different points in your life

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Which is exactly what principles felt like sure so all that to say it's very very different

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But it's very very good and it also I think makes it a lot more accessible and something that just anybody could sit down and enjoy

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Yeah, because when we went through

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Principles we kind of came away from that with the the idea that you kind of you have to be in a certain place in

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order to read that and

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It's kind of heady takes a lot to figure out how you're gonna apply it. This is not that

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This is something I think is approachable to buy pretty much anybody that what you just said

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I think that's the best way to encapsulate this is that principles felt very heady. This feels very emotional. Yeah

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Yeah, that's a good way to put it. So this is one that

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you know, it's ultimately about building resilience and

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How to live intentionally?

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He comes at it from the stance of you have bad things happen to you or you feel like you just can't win

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Which is nice timing because I've had a lot of those thoughts lately

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Between health and other things like it just I always tend to feel like I'm banging my head against the wall

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So it's it's kind of nice to to go through this at this point even though, you know

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I have had some successes with some things

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But let's jump into some of these secrets that he spells out and I I do want to preface this with

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I'm not sure that I would have called these secrets

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as

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much as just these are things to

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Consider when you're going through difficult times sure at the same time

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I completely understand the marketing and the publicity aspect of saying these are secrets. So I'm

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I would probably agree to do the exact same thing if I were him so it but on first blush

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Why are you calling it secrets? Why not call it principles?

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But that was in my head because we just finished principles. So I had the same thought yeah

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So I'm like, okay. Well, that's just merely you know happen stance of when these things crossed my mind

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So let's step into secret number one

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Which is add a dot dot dot now what he's getting at here when he says add a dot dot dot

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Let's say something terrible happen, you know your car gets rear ended or you rare. Let's say you rear in somebody else

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It's easy in that scenario to start having thoughts along the lines of I'm a terrible driver bad things always happen to me

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You know you can start to have these thoughts his point here is that

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You can say things like I'm a bad driver

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But always make sure you put a dot dot dot at the end of that statement to allow yourself to grow past that point

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You know it's not a matter of I'm a bad driver. It's I'm a bad driver

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For now like you know you can put the little clarifier on there that allows you to step past that particular

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aspect but that's important because it keeps your mind open to the growth piece and I could not help Mike but think of

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Carol Dweck and mindset whenever I was going through this because it's all about

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Thinking about being able to grow beyond

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What you're currently going through but that's the main point in chapter one here of or such secret one

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of adding that dot dot dot to your story whatever it is you're telling yourself making sure that you're not

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Focusing on that but being willing to see it as you know an extension of that story that you're you're referring to in your own mind

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Yeah, the main point is that something bad happens and we tend to view that as the end of the story

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And you says in the this first chapter that sometimes the hardest thing to do is to keep going

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But that's also the only way that things ever change

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I think it was Winston Churchill who said if you're going through hell keep going like you don't right you don't decide

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But oh, this is terrible. I guess I'm just gonna stay here for the rest of my life

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Yeah, but that's what you feel like doing whenever that happens. You just want an escape

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But that's not the way life works

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My pastor has a different way of saying this which I like and I think it fits with this whole idea of

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Your life as a story. He says all the time turn the page

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So the period his main point the dot dot dot he's saying replace the period at the end of your sentence

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The dot dot dot indicates that there's more to be said there's there's something coming after this

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adding yet to the end of the sentence essentially and

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That's hard for us to do

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Because we get so focused on the result and we see the result and we apply that result through a fixed mindset lens

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Going back to your point about Carol Dweck and we say I am a failure

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Rather than saying I failed, but I'm gonna learn it. I'm gonna go right try something else and

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Eventually, I'm gonna find the thing and everything's gonna

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Everything's gonna gonna turn out okay in the end

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But in order for that to happen we have to keep going I think this is

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One of the most powerful things that you can do is just simply never ever ever ever give up and

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Again, this is way easier to talk about than to actually practice. I get that just keep going step by step

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My pastor is noticing day by day play by play

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You know just focus on the next thing that's in front of you and don't stop if that's

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All people got out of this book it probably is enough to radically change a lot of people's lives

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sure because we tend to go by

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How we feel or what we see?

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The circumstances around us and we let that dictate our action we feel like we're helpless and there's nothing that we can do

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But we can choose to keep going in just that simple choice of

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Continuing to put one foot in front of the other and see what tomorrow brings

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That's enough to transform your situation because

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this isn't going to last forever this to shall pass and

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If you don't just stop and set up shop in the Valley of Despair, then eventually you're gonna you're gonna get to the other side and

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I think it's really sad

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how

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How many people never get there?

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You know that's that's the one thing that really stood out to me from this book was the very beginning when he's telling his story and all the

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reasons that he had to just

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Pack it up. Yeah, I'm done

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like

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Life you've been cruel to me. I'm not gonna try anymore

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but he didn't and

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as a result

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How many people have been impacted by the books that he's written the blog that he started the TED talks that he's given

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even though if you think about

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Everything that had happened to him at that point and you're trying to like crunch all the numbers

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Look at everything logically

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No one would have blamed him if he would have just said, you know, that's that's enough

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I'm just gonna

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Go get a normal job

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Just put in my time do my thing and not try for something awesome anymore

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Yeah, and I think maybe that's a good transition to into the the second secret because you really have to

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see the bigger picture so the second secret is shift the spotlight and

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What he means by that is we have a tendency to think things revolve around us and

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We tend to think that if we're doing something wrong

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Everyone around us sees it

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Everyone around us is focusing on it, you know if my hair is out of place everyone there noticed if I screwed up a line

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Everyone saw it you get the point we have a tendency to think that way

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You know, I see this on Sunday morning quite a bit, you know, we have a very high standard of

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I don't want to say production, but it's mostly we want to make sure that

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mistakes in sound and quality and the way the worship runs we want to make sure that those mistakes don't

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detract from the worship experience and that's always been our

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intention

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But if a mistake happens, I

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Notice it every single time I see every single thing like when the lyrics came up slightly too slow when you know

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There was a hair of feedback getting ready to come through on a specific microphone. I noticed that and

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I think I think everyone saw it and everyone saw that there was that potential mistake

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I talked to people afterwards. Oh, it was great. It went really well

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What yeah, like there were these seven things that went wrong. How could you not they don't see that?

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So his point here is that when you shift the spotlight you have to start start realizing that

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those mistakes or those little pieces that you see or that you do

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Don't necessarily

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Revolve like not everyone sees those so shift the spotlight off of yourself broaden it out

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So you can see the broader picture of what's going on

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Because you're just one piece in the broader puzzle that's going on there

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So don't don't focus in on yourself like I tend to do it seems every time I

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Yeah, and I think the really powerful application of this for a lot of people maybe is a little bit more personal

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so it's not on I'm in charge of

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The the lights or the sound for a large corporate event

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But just the fact that I am somewhere where there are a thousand other people

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I think based on the spotlight effect that everybody is looking at me and really nobody's looking at you

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Right, right. So don't worry about it so much

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Uh

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One thing that was really interesting to me from this section

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We have these two different extremes

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Typically in the productivity space specifically I think talks about how we hear

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Inspirational messages like just do it or follow your heart and then when you can't do something or you recognize

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You're not good at something then you feel stuck and at that point you've got a crossroads because if you quit

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That's a problem and if you stick with it. That's also a problem

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Because you're still stuck. Yeah, and so he makes the point that as a result this self-help

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Industry can actually be pretty toxic and offer a surprising amount of contradictory advice and I think this is totally true

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This is my main issue with with the the systems

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I think because the people who write a book about a system

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They 100% believe that this is the thing that will help people get unstuck

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Because this is the thing maybe that got them unstuck and I'm not even arguing that they shouldn't write that book

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If they this is the thing that really impacted them that absolutely they should share that idea with the world

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I just don't like to

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Take a system like that and assume that if I follow this system to the T that it is a hundred percent

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Gonna work every time and that's one of the things I really appreciate about you are awesome is there is no system here

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You know he's basically saying in this this section that all of the advice that you hear is gonna be appropriate in a certain context

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But when you try to consider all of it and then you add in an element of being stuck where you are

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you're gonna

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Quickly get to the point where this is all meaningless

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right and that's something I think people need to

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Recognize and if this book is helps you realize that then that's that's great

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I think I've kind of had my moment of clarity on this prior to reading this but that whole passage

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I thought that was articulated really really well sure yeah, absolutely and I know that like whenever

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You're referring to like the productivity space and how you know, it's

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sometimes counterintuitive with what we see and what we we refer to with that, but I think there's

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There they're they're starting to become a bit of a shift, you know

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He obviously doesn't like the systems, but I did see you know, I recently did a

00:26:17

Workflow webinar on learn omni focus calm, which was a lot of fun

00:26:22

But I got a lot of questions after that with people seeing my whole system

00:26:27

That I demo and show off in the course and I use the real system for that

00:26:33

But a lot of the questions I got around it were how do you?

00:26:39

Nail down what it is you should do in each moment like that's what those questions revolved around like how do you use due dates?

00:26:44

How do you make sure that you know exactly what to do because I use one big list and

00:26:49

You don't get a system a ties way of working through things with one big list

00:26:54

You just don't and that was the intent is you know, it allows me to step aside

00:26:59

Let me use my intuition use judgment calls throughout the day. That's the intent there

00:27:04

because

00:27:06

Systems are great and they can also be detrimental

00:27:09

Like I think that's I think he would agree with that and then yep

00:27:12

We tend to see that in a lot of the self-help world

00:27:15

Yeah, and then kind of compounded with that in the same

00:27:18

Chapter is if you share how you've messed up it can motivate others. It's contagious in a good way

00:27:25

because if you

00:27:27

Look at the systems that are out there. These are this is people sharing

00:27:32

What has worked for them and again? I'm not arguing that they should not share that

00:27:37

But if all anybody ever shares is the things that are going well and no one shares the mistakes that they've made or the struggles

00:27:44

That they've had to go through then when you go through something challenging

00:27:48

You think to yourself

00:27:50

Well, I must be doing it wrong because no one else that I look up to is facing this kind of stuff

00:27:54

But the truth is that they all are yes, so that's one of my action items is to

00:28:01

Share more of my failures, and I know that's not the first time I've had that one

00:28:04

But it's a good reminder to me to not just share the stuff that looks good on the outside the stuff

00:28:10

That's really gonna help people maybe the things that I'm struggling with thus bookworm

00:28:14

good bookworm alright, so

00:28:17

Secrets one and two added dot dot dot shift the spotlight secret number three see it as a step alright now think about

00:28:25

something bad that has happened

00:28:28

car breaks down or

00:28:30

You know you have a failed website you have some

00:28:34

something bad happen okay

00:28:36

see that failure that

00:28:38

Bad thing as a step in the right direction or towards something better

00:28:45

The example here is that in Neil's case

00:28:48

He had I think it was five or six websites that were complete failures, and then he started

00:28:54

The blog a thousand awesome things he started that blog

00:28:59

Because he got tired of all his failures he wanted to look for things that are awesome

00:29:04

Thus backing your car into the driveway, so he he started that because he was sick and tired of

00:29:10

Failing and that became a step in the right direction that has then led to three books

00:29:16

And all kinds of great things that have happened to him as a result of that

00:29:21

So whenever you look at this see whatever your failure is as a step

00:29:27

so he saw all those failures as a step in the right direction and the analogy here is that

00:29:32

I'm

00:29:34

Think of it as an invisible staircase

00:29:36

Now when you're taking these steps

00:29:39

Generally on a staircase you know which steps come next you know if the it curves to the left or right

00:29:45

You know if it goes straight up if there's a landing like you can see all of that ahead of time on a normal staircase

00:29:50

But imagine that's invisible

00:29:53

Now most of the time if you ask somebody if they know what the next five or ten years holds for them

00:29:59

They say yeah, they're pretty confident is it is much going to change? No, you know

00:30:03

It's you know my life's gonna be pretty much the way it is right now liars. Yep, exactly like that's what people will tell you

00:30:10

but

00:30:12

Almost a hundred percent of the time. That's not true things happen

00:30:17

Difficult challenges come along you have to make edits to the way that you

00:30:22

Operate in your life because you don't know what those next steps are you cannot tell

00:30:27

What step three is when you're not even through step one all you can see is the next step

00:30:33

Which is right in front of you?

00:30:34

That's his point so whenever a bad thing happens you have to be able to see that as a step and think of it as a positive step

00:30:40

Because you don't know what's coming next. That's his whole point here

00:30:44

Yeah, and then kind of coupled with that is the fact that we think the way

00:30:49

Things are is going to be based on the way things were or

00:30:56

Maybe rephrasing that the way things will be in the future is based on

00:31:00

What we've experienced so far so we project our current experience

00:31:05

Forward and that's the whole idea of the invisible staircases. You can't see

00:31:10

Where the top of it is?

00:31:13

you don't have a clear path forward to your point you just have the next step and

00:31:21

Kind of coupled with that is the general idea of failure as a bad thing

00:31:27

Because we look back at all the times that we've failed and we see maybe the negative

00:31:33

Consequences that came from it or we remember how that made us feel and then we project forward that well

00:31:40

I'm gonna avoid that if I if I can

00:31:43

but

00:31:45

As he talks about in the later chapter, that's really the thing that's gonna ultimately allow you to be

00:31:51

successful

00:31:52

So we need to challenge some of those traditional ideas about moving towards our ideal future

00:31:59

Because we assume that we can see up the invisible staircase, but we can't and then there's another

00:32:05

Key piece to this which is a minor point that he makes but I really think is worth calling out here is that all news is negative

00:32:14

I

00:32:17

100% agree with this I've stopped following the news

00:32:20

Probably a couple of years sure and it's kind of interesting to me because my parents are older obviously they still

00:32:28

Very much are connected with the news the evening news specifically

00:32:33

That's how they find out about what's going on in the world

00:32:35

And then when we see him for dinner or whatever they want to talk about world events like did you hear about this?

00:32:40

I'm like no, I didn't every time I have to say that I feel good

00:32:44

Sorry

00:32:47

No, I don't I don't really care because every single regardless of which way you lean politically every single

00:32:55

News outlet they make their money off of bad news

00:32:59

So there is going to be plenty of bad news and if you add up all of the

00:33:05

Psychological effects that that has on you. It's very easy to see how that can very much be contradictory

00:33:11

Towards progress in your quest for awesome, but it's also the kind of it's the kind of thing that

00:33:17

Makes us keep coming back. It's kind of habit forming. It's addictive. So I

00:33:22

Don't know it's hard sometimes to break free from some of that stuff

00:33:27

but

00:33:28

He makes the point and I 100% agree with this that if you really want to be

00:33:33

Positive if you want to live in an awesome life you need to remove as much negative as you can and

00:33:39

removing the news as a source of information

00:33:43

Probably gonna have less of a negative impact than you think it might have a much greater positive impact than you think

00:33:50

so we're recording this on a Friday and

00:33:53

On this coming Monday morning. It will be exactly one year at that moment

00:34:00

It'll be exactly one year since the last time I watched the news and I watched the morning news

00:34:05

And I know this because we were in a hotel on our way

00:34:11

towards my mom's place for Thanksgiving, which you know is coming up next week, so we do that trip every year and

00:34:18

That particular morning

00:34:21

when we got up to the hotel we went and grabbed breakfast and had the girls with me and

00:34:25

Someone in the room of course had the TV on because hotels are incapable of having a breakfast area without one or twelve

00:34:34

TVs on and blaring so there was a TV in the corner. They had the news playing and

00:34:39

I watched it for a few minutes and it oh it was totally wrecked my day

00:34:46

Just totally because you know everything's inflammatory everybody's mad. It's all negative like

00:34:53

Why is this even on airports - oh yeah, they're terrible - and I think yeah in airports

00:35:01

Like everywhere you look there's news and it's probably just because people are killing time

00:35:05

But next time you go through an airport just people watch and look at who is watching the news and look at their facial expressions

00:35:13

Whether they look happy yeah for sure well, I know that you know we sat there in the breakfast area and

00:35:19

I one of the guys that I could tell who was intently watching the news

00:35:25

Got up and left and there were two other families there that I could see were not

00:35:30

paying any attention to the TV and I just asked them like can I turn that off and

00:35:35

They looked at me like oh, I suppose that is an option we can turn that off and

00:35:40

they like yeah by all means so I went over and I

00:35:46

Couldn't find the power button on the thing and there was no remote to be found

00:35:50

So you rip it out of the wall through it. I totally ripped the thing out of the wall

00:35:54

I is like this no, I'm I will shut this thing off

00:35:58

so I pulled the power cord on the thing like we're shutting this off and

00:36:03

The rest of breakfast was peaceful and the part that was funny to me was that

00:36:08

before that TV was turned off

00:36:11

Each table in the room was kind of in their own little world like you were we were all contained

00:36:17

We were talking amongst ourselves as a family when I broke that you know invisible wall between us and the other two families there and

00:36:26

Killed the TV for whatever reason that broke

00:36:29

The ice and we were able to have conversation so we had conversations with those two other families

00:36:34

Found out that they normally go back to the same hotel at the same time of year like well, I might see you next year then

00:36:41

We'll see we exchanged numbers and stuff. It was kind of a fun little ordeal, but I still very

00:36:51

Very explicitly remembers like the news that day. I and it wasn't even anything

00:36:56

You know massive

00:36:58

It was just something local and they blew it out of proportion because they were looking for viewership. So

00:37:03

No news get rid of it. So let me share my own story with this and kind of an annoyance about this

00:37:14

So I mentioned my parents like to watch the news

00:37:17

They like to talk to us about the things that are happening. We also have a lot of young kids

00:37:23

so

00:37:25

They'll be talking about something and they'll ask us like did you hear about?

00:37:29

The guy who got?

00:37:31

Murdered, you know and my kids hear everything like wait what right and then they try to oh never mind never mind

00:37:38

Because it's like well because they should know they want to know but but they have no problem with us hearing it like

00:37:44

We have an opinion and a preference here too like we would prefer not to hear this stuff

00:37:49

But that just doesn't even register as an option

00:37:52

You know and I'm I use this as an example. It's really not that big sure okay. I am not

00:37:59

I have a very good relationship with my parents

00:38:02

Okay, but I use this as an example that it just becomes so ingrained in the normal day-to-day

00:38:09

but you don't have to settle for just going with the flow and

00:38:13

Chatting at the water cooler about all the negative stuff that's happening you can

00:38:17

Set intention and change your course or tell yourself a different story. Oh nice segue

00:38:24

We I win alright secret number four tell yourself a different story because that was awesome

00:38:30

Because you know you are awesome so tell yourself a different story when bad things happen typically we

00:38:36

We see only the negatives

00:38:38

I'm I don't have the body. I want I see only the bad things about the way I look

00:38:44

My wardrobe isn't the way I like my boss doesn't like me like the all these things are

00:38:49

Negatives and we tell ourselves all the negative stories, you know like what the news tells us and I think this is maybe one of the most

00:38:57

Difficult secrets here Mike because telling yourself the opposite of that and then believing that is so incredibly difficult

00:39:04

But I could see where it's super valuable

00:39:06

If you see that your boss doesn't like you and he's making things hurt on you

00:39:11

You know see it as hey

00:39:14

This is a chance to get better at character see it as a chance to to figure out how to deal with difficult people

00:39:19

Like see the positive side of that now maybe that's a bad example

00:39:24

I don't know but you get the idea here is whenever you have something negative like the way you view it is all in your head

00:39:31

It's not a matter of what's happening in the world. Maybe this is a stoic pull

00:39:35

You know don't necessarily react to thing the way that everyone else does think about it

00:39:40

And then choose the way that you're gonna react that concept really cool concept that is so hard to do

00:39:46

like I

00:39:47

Tried to figure out ways that I could do this from the time I finished reading that section to now and

00:39:52

There've been a few points when I could try to implement this and I have been very

00:39:58

Unsuccessful in trying to accomplish this that's why I say I think this is the most difficult one

00:40:03

And I have no action items around this because I don't really want to try this

00:40:07

But it's it's one that I think could be valuable. It's just one that I think is super difficult. Yeah, I agree with you

00:40:16

The thing that I jotted down here was the three big questions, and I think this helps clarify

00:40:24

Well, how important the story that you are telling yourself at the moment really is

00:40:30

So number one will this matter my deathbed number two can I do something about this number three?

00:40:35

Is this a story that I'm telling myself that last one in particular is pretty powerful? I think

00:40:40

He makes the point in this chapter that many of us in part shame to ourselves

00:40:47

Which he defines shame as the belief that others are making a judgment of you

00:40:52

Well others may not be making a judgment of you, but you're saying

00:40:58

something that is making you ashamed of of

00:41:01

Maybe something that you've done and then you say that

00:41:07

Enough and you assume the identity and now it's the fact

00:41:11

It's not that you're experiencing shame about something that you've done

00:41:14

But you're experiencing shame about something that you are and again

00:41:18

No one needs to project this on to you. We do a great job of this ourselves and

00:41:25

The reason I think that this happens is that we tend to connect dots

00:41:29

We look at the outcomes and we say well that was a success or that was a failure and then we

00:41:36

scribe a value judgment to the thing is either good or bad and we can already talked about how we tend to

00:41:43

ascribe

00:41:44

failures as

00:41:46

Something that is bad, but that's not necessarily the case and

00:41:52

especially for people who are very logical like I think both you and I are will look at the facts and

00:41:59

There's a statement in this chapter that really struck me. He said that the fact a fact is different than a story and

00:42:06

I think we've talked about this previous in bookworm - where you can have facts. You can have individual things

00:42:12

That are true

00:42:14

But the way that you connect them does not

00:42:18

Ness is not necessarily true. So you can look at a fact that you failed at this thing that thing that thing and then

00:42:26

Tell yourself a story that I am a failure as a fill in the blank and I'm not going to try this anymore

00:42:33

But that's not necessarily true. So the whole point of this

00:42:37

chapter this section is

00:42:40

When you find that you're telling yourself that sort of story hit pause evaluate

00:42:46

maybe why you're

00:42:48

telling that story the way it is and then

00:42:51

Try to spin it for lack of a better term

00:42:55

find a different angle to interpret the facts that are before you and

00:43:01

I don't have an action item associated with this either

00:43:05

But I recognize that this is something that I'm not necessarily great at and it's something that I'd like to become better at right?

00:43:11

So not an action item again, but I also want to start telling myself different stories

00:43:17

And when I find myself connecting the dots

00:43:20

Based on the facts that are presented

00:43:22

Asking myself specifically is there another way to look at these things. I think this is hard

00:43:29

I still think it's hard, but I get the value of it

00:43:33

So it is and I think really the awareness of the fact that there is another option

00:43:37

That's really the valuable thing at this point

00:43:40

You know for someone who's just picking up this book and reading this and again

00:43:44

We've read a bunch of these books. So a lot of this stuff

00:43:47

We've heard in some way shape or form before but assuming you're brand new to this

00:43:51

This may be completely revolutionary to some people

00:43:54

First time you've ever heard the fact that you don't have to just assume that because A equals B and B equals C

00:44:00

That A equals C. There's a different way to connect those dots. That's

00:44:04

That can be life-changing for sure. I mean the obstacle is the way Ryan Holiday

00:44:09

Go back in time. What was that episode three four something like that?

00:44:15

You know it that's that's a lot of what it's about is seeing things with a different lens when it's not exactly pleasant

00:44:22

Yep, so that's a good place to go for it. All right secret number five

00:44:27

Lose more to win more

00:44:30

This is basically

00:44:32

Fail fast if you want a summarization of that

00:44:36

The idea is the more times you play the game the more likely you are to accrue wins

00:44:41

he brings out some baseball stats like

00:44:44

Folks who are had the most wins in their

00:44:48

repertoire

00:44:51

Played the most games

00:44:53

Just a simple fact the more times people try to do something

00:44:58

The more likely you are to have some successes. Yeah, which means that you have to be willing to accept a large number of failures as well

00:45:07

You know, this is Seth Godin's story

00:45:10

He tells about how he had a lot of failures before he has had successes

00:45:14

Einstein was the same way all kinds of

00:45:18

Folks in history who talk about all the failures they had

00:45:22

but those things teach you and those failures are allow you to

00:45:28

Continue to get better at things. So I

00:45:30

I of course working in software and in tech you deal with failures all the time and you always learn from those and move on

00:45:38

but the the key that I found in this is being willing to

00:45:42

step up to the plate and

00:45:45

Try like it just be willing to lose

00:45:48

Or fail at something with the hope that you will succeed at it. Yeah this chapter

00:45:55

I totally get his point, but I also think that the fact that you fail a lot doesn't

00:46:00

Necessarily mean that you're going to succeed. So

00:46:04

How do I say this a lot of failure does not

00:46:10

Does not produce a lot of success, but you can't get a lot of success without a lot of failure

00:46:17

Does that make sense? It does but you have to keep in mind that he predicated this with

00:46:23

some secrets that

00:46:25

You know add a dot dot dot. Yes, you failed, but

00:46:28

Now what you know shift the spotlight off your failure on to the broader picture see that failure as a step

00:46:35

Tell yourself a different story about it

00:46:38

He gives you all of those before he gets to this point

00:46:42

So I don't I don't disagree with you

00:46:45

but if you're doing those four things and

00:46:48

You're willing to learn from those failures. I think eventually the answer is yes, you will eventually succeed. Yes

00:46:55

I think that's what he's getting it. I agree with you for the person who just jumped straight to chapter five

00:47:00

You maybe don't get that context for sure

00:47:03

I guess really that's the thing I want to call out here is that you have to take this in context

00:47:07

And if you just read chapter five, I think you're maybe missing

00:47:11

Some key ideas here

00:47:14

We kind of talked about the growth mindset that really is the key is what happens when you fail?

00:47:20

So the number of failures

00:47:22

Doesn't really matter but if after every failure

00:47:26

You look at why you ended up here and you make some changes and you try something different

00:47:33

Then that is going to eventually lead you to success

00:47:37

But the fact that you failed isn't a predicator of that success

00:47:42

He uses some some sports examples

00:47:45

I think he talked about Cy Young but the one that really stood out to me because I'm in Wisconsin

00:47:49

Brett Favre with the Green Bay Packers nobody likes Brett because he was

00:47:53

He's a very likable guy

00:47:56

He's just total chill

00:47:59

I can't get to upset because he played for the Vikings for yeah, so

00:48:02

But growing up he was the he was the quarterback and it was maddening to watch him because

00:48:10

He had a people described as a gunslinger mentality, so he would just try for all these ridiculous throws and

00:48:16

For a while he had the record for the most touchdowns in a career and also the most

00:48:23

Interceptions and people were quick to point that out

00:48:25

Neil would say that that's not necessarily a bad thing

00:48:29

I think when people share those statistics they kind of think that it's a bad thing. I don't necessarily think that

00:48:35

I think those two are kind of kind of related and the fact that he threw so many touchdowns was based on the fact that he was

00:48:42

willing to take some chances

00:48:44

But also you could get the feeling that watching somebody like Brett Favre

00:48:48

Which is kind of my point about how you can't just fail a bunch of times

00:48:51

You have to learn from your mistakes sometimes Brett would just you know throw stuff

00:48:57

And he would have games where he'd have five six interceptions and you're just like stop doing that

00:49:04

You're killing me. Yeah, yeah, exactly

00:49:06

So

00:49:09

That's the the mentality that I as I apply this

00:49:13

Want to do a little bit differently than something like that and I want to I want to call it out to everybody else too is

00:49:20

You can't just have a gunslinger

00:49:23

mentality you have to have a growth mindset applied to this in order for this to to really work and

00:49:32

Sure, it's hard to think of a specific scenario

00:49:36

where I could

00:49:38

Draw an example of that from

00:49:40

But I do think that the real value here is really just recognizing that the fact that you failed is not

00:49:50

necessarily bad failure is not final

00:49:53

But where do you go from here and the answer should never be backwards it should always be forwards for sure

00:50:02

for sure

00:50:03

No, I totally get the whole like fail fast concept. I get it, but it's not

00:50:11

One that I think you should

00:50:13

How do I say that it's not one that you should count on or just like oh that was not gonna work

00:50:19

Let me try again. Oh that was not gonna work. Let me try. Yeah, exactly that if you come at it with that mentality

00:50:25

You may have a very long string of failures. You may never win

00:50:30

Yeah, it's possible those successes never come

00:50:32

It's only when you're willing to take what worked and what didn't work

00:50:37

from those previous failures and applying them to

00:50:40

Your next attempt like when you get to that point. I think that's where where the potential can come in

00:50:47

Yeah, everybody likes to throw out the statistic that Thomas Edison had

00:50:51

10,000 failures before he invented the light bulb, but maybe you don't have enough time to make 10,000 more failures in your life

00:50:59

What do you do then you got to fail smarter? You can't just try a bunch of random stuff. Yes?

00:51:04

You've got to know here about three ways to accelerate success. Yeah, you want to cover that quick sure

00:51:10

This is kind of related so he had three things here, which I think are genius and

00:51:17

Worth calling out for how to fail correctly

00:51:20

Number one he said go to parties where you don't know any know anyone this

00:51:26

Made the introvert in me very nervous, but I recognize that this is scared. This is very very correct

00:51:33

Because I've I've seen this happen like I've seen this apply in my life before where I've been somewhere where I don't know

00:51:41

anybody and I force myself outside my comfort zone and that's usually

00:51:46

when cool stuff happens so

00:51:48

Getting outside of your little

00:51:54

Out of your world of of experience and

00:51:57

Experiencing something else we can give you more dots to connect and help you see a bigger picture

00:52:03

Number two is have a failure budget

00:52:06

This also is genius and really addresses my main point with you can't just keep failing a

00:52:13

failure budget ensures that you're going to cap your losses at a

00:52:18

Certain amount and this could be a time budget. It could be a dollar budget

00:52:23

He used this when he was making his websites because a thousand awesome things was his sixth website

00:52:28

He would say I'm gonna spend up to a hundred dollars on this thing and then it's got to show me something before I invest more in it

00:52:35

I think that's that's really smart and then number three counter losses. So again, don't just keep failing

00:52:41

Recognize the fact that you have failed

00:52:44

Don't just you get it out of your mind as quick as you can because that's another thing that people say all the time is like

00:52:50

You got to have a short memory. Well, yeah, that's that's true

00:52:53

But you don't I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing to remember that the thing happened

00:52:58

It depends how you look back at it if it causes you to be fearful of trying again or going forward

00:53:05

Then that's a bad thing but recognizing that I tried this this way before and it didn't work

00:53:10

So this time I'm gonna try something else. That's a very positive thing. Absolutely. So yes, I'm with you the first of those three

00:53:18

Do I have to?

00:53:20

Yeah, I get it

00:53:23

but I was literally at a large group gathering the other day and somebody was like

00:53:28

Do you like getting together with people like this and I mentioned your your t-shirt? I'm like no

00:53:34

My buddy's got a t-shirt and I think I need to get one no introverts unite separately in your own homes. That's that's my good

00:53:42

Yes, I

00:53:45

Think we can get a link to that picture in the show notes

00:53:49

So I think it's on my Instagram awesome if you scroll back on it, but yes

00:53:53

I've had more than a couple people tell me they want that shirt

00:53:56

I do wear that shirt in public by the way and

00:53:59

Because it's it's one of those shirts like it's really cool shirt

00:54:02

But you really got to think about the group you're going to when you wear that yeah, it's not another one

00:54:07

The other did it said I'm sorry. I can't talk to you. I spoke to two people yesterday

00:54:11

Yes, yes, absolutely

00:54:15

Kind of piggybacking on off of that though secret number six reveal to heal

00:54:20

It's exactly what it sounds like if you're going to heal from the failure of the difficulty that you dealt with

00:54:27

You have to be willing to talk about it and you have to be willing to reveal it to other people

00:54:31

This is why I was talking about Mike sharing his baseball card publicly because revealing those personal things

00:54:39

Help you grow and help you get over some of the difficulties that you've dealt with to get there

00:54:44

This is also why the course we were talking about earlier working with Omni focus the third version

00:54:49

When I recorded that Mike you'll this will make you squirm

00:54:54

When I recorded that I did not use a guest account on my computer and I did not set up a demo database for that particular

00:55:02

Screencast yeah, I remember you you kept your original database in the first

00:55:08

Program and that was one of the things people really liked about it

00:55:11

Yeah, so I kind of assumed you would do that again with this one, but yeah, you're right

00:55:15

That's not something people would typically do no no and it terrifies the people who record

00:55:20

Whenever you do that, but if you want to see what I actually run in my Omni focus setup

00:55:26

That's the way to do it and this is partially why because I have learned that if I'm going to share

00:55:31

my real system

00:55:34

And I think I actually managed to do it without blurring anything out to

00:55:37

I managed to go through that whole system because in my mind whenever I watch other people's courses and watch other people's

00:55:44

Systems and screencasts

00:55:46

Yes, they use demo data and they tend to make it funny and like they'll use star wars references and stuff and like, you know

00:55:52

Build the new millennium falcon like they'll do some stuff like that in order to to make it fun

00:55:58

But it's hard to get a read on how real that is

00:56:02

And like how to translate it because there is that level of translation you have to do

00:56:06

um, you don't have to do that with this so

00:56:08

I have found a lot of value in in revealing the real thing because to me it makes it easier to

00:56:14

To learn on my own system as well

00:56:17

Like I always tend to when I record those I find things and I tweak and adjust my own system usually right after that

00:56:24

Sometimes in the middle of so that does happen there was one point he

00:56:28

He called out one task of sorts that I have as an action item out of this

00:56:35

Section and that's what he calls the two-minute morning practice

00:56:38

It's three prompts. So this would be like I guess you would call this a morning journaling process

00:56:44

Yeah, um, it's a way of revealing things to yourself

00:56:47

I've never really done something like this. I'm not one that typically uses prompts with journaling

00:56:53

No idea why that is that's that's maybe something I should explore

00:56:57

But this sounded interesting and I'm willing to try this so the two-minute morning practice. There's three prompts here

00:57:03

I will let go of fill on the blank. I am grateful for

00:57:08

I will focus on

00:57:11

So what you're doing is what is the thing that I you have in your mind that you haven't let go of yet that you're still you know

00:57:17

Uh bottled up inside not willing to move past

00:57:22

What are you grateful for what's something that has happened that you're super grateful has happened to you?

00:57:27

And what is the thing you're going to focus on for that day?

00:57:30

It seems like it's be a great way to jump start things now granted

00:57:34

I read about this about five or six days ago as we're recording and I haven't done it yet

00:57:40

Maybe that's a bad sign

00:57:42

Um, but the goal is to do this so I'm making this an action item. Maybe I'll actually follow through delad

00:57:50

I'm making a public so yes, that that is one that I'm willing to

00:57:53

Try out, but I think on your part mic. I think you need to share your baseball card. Okay. I will

00:57:59

Yeah

00:58:00

Not to pressure you into it. You can say no, it's okay

00:58:04

Not on mind sharing it. I think I've shared all the all the results

00:58:08

Uh and everything that's on the baseball card anyways

00:58:10

Let me think about whether I want to share the current version or if I can get a finished one before the

00:58:17

Episode goes out. I'll share that but oh yeah, there you go. I have no problem sharing the the basic design of it

00:58:24

I like the idea of the index card with the three prompts

00:58:28

When I read that I thought about how I might apply that myself

00:58:33

and

00:58:35

I couldn't find anything

00:58:37

Now I it's not to say that the practice that he has outlined here isn't valuable

00:58:42

I just think I've kind of done this a different way

00:58:44

So I've got my daily planning sheet that I fill out then in the morning

00:58:48

I write everything out with my fancy fountain pen. Thanks a lot. Yes

00:58:52

on my

00:58:53

newspaper notebook

00:58:54

And then in the evening is when I do the the gratitude and I have the prompts

00:58:58

I 100 believe in the power of the prompts by the way

00:59:01

I definitely think this is something that you should experiment with

00:59:04

And if you're going to do it in a digital application, I know you like analog stuff

00:59:10

But day one now has these templates that you can create which make this super easy

00:59:15

It's actually even replaced the the shortcut that I used to have where I would fill everything out and that would format it into a table for me

00:59:23

So it's really really easy

00:59:25

To add your own prompts into a reusable template inside of something like day one

00:59:30

And I think that the prompts

00:59:32

Get you thinking in the right direction. That's really what he's trying to do with these three things

00:59:37

So I will focus on basically that is

00:59:40

Like the highlight that we learned about in make time by jake nap and john zeratski

00:59:46

I've actually got that on my planning sheet. I've got the gratitude thing at the

00:59:51

At the in the evening. I do think you could make an argument for doing this at the beginning of the day. He does share some

00:59:56

findings from a

00:59:58

Happiness does happiness lead to success study where they found 31 percent higher productivity 37 percent higher sales

01:00:05

Three times as much creativity

01:00:07

When you show up for your day with a positive mindset

01:00:10

So I recognize that that's really the result that he's going for with this index card

01:00:16

And I think that that is very valuable if you wanted to just copy and paste this part of it for yourself

01:00:22

The I will let go of thing really challenged me

01:00:25

But I don't think like I kind of built this into my personal retreat

01:00:31

And I used to be the person who

01:00:34

Answering that question would have totally made a very big difference

01:00:38

In my day because I would get upset about something that had happened during my workday

01:00:44

And I wouldn't be able to sleep because I just keep thinking about it

01:00:47

And even if there's something I could do about it right now

01:00:49

And just knowing that I have to deal with it tomorrow

01:00:51

Like that's the kind of thing that would eat at me and that doesn't really happen anymore

01:00:55

But past Mike definitely could have benefited from this index card practice

01:00:59

Sure

01:01:01

Yeah

01:01:02

One thing that I do have from this section by the way in terms of an action item

01:01:05

Is this whole idea of uh, he calls it a contemporary confession where you can share your own filtered thoughts

01:01:14

I kind of hesitated when I read this because I feel like if you

01:01:20

just focus on

01:01:22

negative feelings that can kind of snowball

01:01:25

So i'm a little bit hesitant to do that, but I also

01:01:29

understand

01:01:32

the benefit of

01:01:34

Releasing these things and not keeping them inside

01:01:37

So one of the things that's challenging to me is figuring out

01:01:42

Who I can mentally release these things to and again not so I can just do your plane for hours

01:01:47

Because that's gonna have the opposite effect

01:01:50

but

01:01:52

I don't really think there is anybody at the moment who I would feel completely comfortable

01:01:58

Just unfiltered saying I feel like this right now

01:02:02

uh

01:02:04

And

01:02:05

That's kind of a warming I guess

01:02:08

Sure

01:02:10

But it's something you know sharing my failures here. It's a something I recognize that I need to figure out a way to add that now

01:02:17

Obviously

01:02:19

Being married your significant other is one obvious

01:02:22

Uh one obvious outlet for that, but also I'm not so sure I want to share

01:02:28

All of that stuff with my wife because I don't want her to have to carry that

01:02:32

I don't want her to feel like she needs to defend me because I'm feeling vulnerable at the moment

01:02:38

Right, so I'm not 100% sure exactly what this looks like yet

01:02:44

But it is something I need to wrestle through. Yeah, no, I get that

01:02:48

Uh, I have a tendency to mentally release to myself

01:02:53

Which I'm not sure that's what journaling is basically. Yeah, and that's what I do nightly. So

01:02:59

Ultimately what I end up doing and this is why I don't use prompts

01:03:05

I have a tendency to just write whatever is on my mind

01:03:08

At the time and usually that's whatever

01:03:11

Uh, whatever has been most difficult about the day

01:03:15

That's just so you don't really want to read this because it's going to be pretty negative. So it's

01:03:20

Probably gonna get burnt at some point

01:03:24

Not one. I'll keep around

01:03:27

Uh, but it's it's one that like that's how I tend to do that

01:03:31

I don't really bring it up here because I've been doing it for quite some time. So it's not an ad

01:03:35

But I don't know that that could be an option. I don't know that you would need to do that with a person

01:03:40

Uh, personally, I don't and not sure I would

01:03:44

Uh, as you know, sometimes what I think and what comes out of my mouth is

01:03:49

Not helpful to anyone involved

01:03:52

No matter how that's that's the thing I'm struggling with and he uses the idea of confession

01:03:59

In a whole bunch of different religious practices is like an evidence of the value of this sort of thing

01:04:05

But um, I struggle with that because exactly what you just said

01:04:09

How does me sharing?

01:04:12

My negative stuff help anybody else

01:04:15

Right. I don't want to be the guy who's always bringing people down

01:04:18

Right, right because I mean like you could you could share this stuff with me, but what if you're upset with me about something?

01:04:24

Okay

01:04:26

Yes, you could probably share that but

01:04:28

You're going to be tactful in the way you say it. You're not just going to unload

01:04:32

Right. You know what I mean?

01:04:33

Yeah, it would be very very difficult to do that

01:04:36

What if the thing you need to unload is the difficulty you have with your spouse?

01:04:39

You don't want to share that with her because

01:04:42

You are trying to be tactful in the way that you handle that situation. Yep, so

01:04:46

I don't know that it's possible to have a single person that you could do that with

01:04:52

It's I think it might be possible to have different people that you can share different things to yeah

01:04:56

But trying to find a single person to do that with I think that's you know, that's a lost cause

01:05:01

Sure. Yeah, I guess for me. It's just identifying

01:05:05

Anybody that fits that description sure like the picture I get is of the guys who

01:05:11

Go to the bar after work and they're sharing stuff over a beer. I don't drink so that's not going to happen

01:05:19

but like

01:05:21

You never cherry cola

01:05:23

Who's my non-drinking drinking buddy?

01:05:25

Yeah, yeah

01:05:27

That's funny

01:05:29

Yeah, no, I get it. I get it

01:05:31

Now let's let's go ahead and step into the next secret

01:05:35

And this is where he kind of shifts from dealing with the current failures to

01:05:41

What do you what do you move towards?

01:05:44

secret number seven is find small ponds

01:05:47

And

01:05:49

This is something that you can do in order to take the next step in and where do you start?

01:05:55

Working on the new in that you have a much better chance of success if you find an area where you're a big fish

01:06:02

You know use that that analogy in that

01:06:05

You don't want to be you know someone who's going to get a 3.0

01:06:10

Grade point average in the midst of a group who's got all got four point

01:06:15

O's like you don't want to be in that scenario you want to be the 3.0 in a group of 2.0s

01:06:19

Like that that concept is what you need to be working towards because what it does is it ups your chances of

01:06:26

Success

01:06:27

um as kind of a story and I don't mean to keep pushing this course

01:06:31

It's just been fresh on my mind. So it's something it's come up

01:06:34

This is kind of what I do with omni focus omni focus is not

01:06:38

You know, it's not electric vehicle big as far as a topic

01:06:42

It's much smaller than that

01:06:44

Um, and that's where I've kind of had my niche as far as expertise goes

01:06:48

So that has become a small pond that I'm I know that I'm comfortable operating within

01:06:54

And i'm trying to branch out to a few other areas as well

01:06:57

uh

01:06:59

Somewhat successfully here and there so I am working on that as well

01:07:02

But what you have to do is find those small ponds and then start working your way towards

01:07:06

um

01:07:08

Becoming a voice in them and in shooting for success within those this is actually a very short chapter

01:07:13

So he just mentions this briefly

01:07:15

Um as a as a form of uh, here's what you could do

01:07:19

I

01:07:21

I understand the the point that he's making here, but again, I think this is something that could be

01:07:26

Correct or incorrect depending on the context. So

01:07:30

as an example

01:07:33

When I read this initially

01:07:35

I thought of some advice

01:07:38

That I had been told a long time ago

01:07:42

That if you are

01:07:44

The most important person in the room

01:07:48

If you want to keep growing you need to change your room like you got to get around people

01:07:52

Who are more successful than you are and I do think that there is

01:07:57

an element of truth to that

01:08:00

but on the other hand he uses a very

01:08:04

relevant example for me of

01:08:07

when he started giving speeches

01:08:10

because this is something that i've wanted to do and i haven't really pursued it a ton because

01:08:17

I know it's a ton of work and I just don't think it's a major piece of

01:08:23

What i'm doing right now, but I do enjoy

01:08:28

We've talked about my Toastmasters experience. I do enjoy public speaking

01:08:33

So kind of in the back of my head has always been the the thought of wouldn't it be great if I could get paid to speak

01:08:39

and

01:08:41

I remember as I was thinking through this a couple of years ago

01:08:45

Had somebody helped me put together like a one-page speaker form

01:08:49

and I had

01:08:51

my

01:08:52

Some some quotes some testimonials type stuff

01:08:55

I had some speeches that I had done previously so people could like pick something if they wanted something for like a corporate training sort of thing

01:09:03

and then examples of

01:09:06

Your work so my book podcast stuff like that that I had been on

01:09:11

And then pricing information and I remember putting pricing on there and somebody telling me at a zero basically 10x everything

01:09:18

Sure, so I did and obviously it went nowhere. So

01:09:23

That didn't really help and niehl's approach was different because

01:09:28

He started at the low end of the pay scale when he uses the the story in the book of when he started working with a a service to

01:09:36

Help get him paid speaking gigs

01:09:40

they were

01:09:41

Asking him sort of like what are the types of venues that you want to speak in and he was going for the low for the low stuff the small stuff

01:09:48

and they were kind of

01:09:50

My impression of the story they were kind of taken aback by that like they thought that was kind of weird

01:09:54

But I think there's a lot of value to that

01:09:58

I think that if you start that way you are pretty much guaranteed

01:10:04

to

01:10:06

Underpromise and overdeliver and that's going to create a lot of goodwill and a lot of momentum

01:10:12

As you grow you'll start to develop a reputation as somebody who is really really good as opposed to

01:10:18

Kind of the approach that I was following unintentionally was this guy who has never done this before

01:10:25

Somebody pays him a big sum of money and they feel like well, that was a rip

01:10:28

That's that's a quick way to to derail your

01:10:34

speaking career, so I think that finding small ponds and

01:10:39

the whole idea of

01:10:42

Failing and then succeeding

01:10:44

When you can do that when the stakes are small and you can learn those things you can cast string together some successes

01:10:50

That's going to be a much better path forward for

01:10:53

a lot of things that people want to do but

01:10:56

also just finding the places where you feel like a big fish

01:11:03

And just hanging out there for a long time. That's not necessarily a good strategy

01:11:08

Yeah, and that's that's exactly what I have a note here of

01:11:12

He never mentions of when to switch ponds

01:11:15

Or when to move to a lake or when to move to the ocean like he never mentions that

01:11:21

But you do have to at some point correct and that piece isn't brought up in that yes, you can find the small ponds

01:11:27

but

01:11:30

Don't become complacent or comfortable or content with that

01:11:35

That would be my argument in that you have to be willing to grow if you're going to continue to get better

01:11:41

You're going to continue to string together successes

01:11:43

You either have to find a different pond or a bigger one

01:11:46

Yep in order to continue to grow there now at the same time in his defense

01:11:52

I think what he's getting at is how do you get that first success?

01:11:58

Yep, totally because I don't think he really tries to go beyond that per se

01:12:03

At least not here. So I think that isn't necessarily his

01:12:07

Intention with this particular chapter, but it's also not made clear

01:12:12

So that might be a detriment to this section or a qualm that we have

01:12:18

With it, but that's something that I think should be called out for sure

01:12:22

Yeah, and I don't think it's necessarily a qualm or even a disagreement

01:12:26

It's just something that I thought of based on the whole context of everything that we've ever read

01:12:31

Sure. Yeah looking at this book, you know, he's telling stories and he's

01:12:35

Creating a narrative in a very specific direction. So I don't fault him for the approach that he took here at all

01:12:41

I don't think that his advice is wrong. I just

01:12:43

Want to bring some more context to it. Yeah, no, that makes sense

01:12:48

Which does bring us to secret number eight go untouchable

01:12:51

Uh easy way to summarize this deep work

01:12:55

Basically what he's getting at is setting up

01:12:57

Untouchable days you have a time period or an entire day where

01:13:02

This is when you're gonna work on your thing

01:13:05

And don't let anything get in the way of that like that's that's really

01:13:10

If i'm gonna completely distill down that whole chapter into one little tiny succinct

01:13:16

Summarization that would be it. Did you when you read this? Did you have an interest in trying this?

01:13:21

Like this is something that I feel like whenever I was reading about like I want to do an untouchable day

01:13:26

Like I feel like that's impossible for me because so much of my day is spent

01:13:29

Uh handling things that show up. I can't really do that

01:13:33

Does that make sense? Like maybe i'm just trying to find an excuse

01:13:37

Well, you are trying to find an excuse, but that doesn't mean

01:13:40

It doesn't mean that what you're doing is is incorrect either. So I don't think I would have

01:13:48

I would have responded to this the same way as I did when I read it had I read this a year ago

01:13:55

because

01:13:58

my

01:13:59

Work situation has changed and one of the things that we use at Blanc media is base camp

01:14:06

We've brought up

01:14:08

Gap books and things like Jason freed and it doesn't have to be crazy at work

01:14:13

The the whole base camp ethos

01:14:16

Is kind of built around you don't always have to be accessible

01:14:19

And that has really changed how I go about my work day

01:14:24

there are

01:14:26

times when

01:14:28

We don't communicate as a team for an entire day

01:14:32

And I think that I can probably schedule that fairly regularly

01:14:38

It doesn't mean that I can't respond though

01:14:42

So I need to I need to give some thought to this because there are going to be times when people need something from me

01:14:47

Usually I can see ahead and anticipate that

01:14:50

But I would love

01:14:53

to try this

01:14:54

And I even if I can't embrace it completely I definitely won't be able to uh to do the no cell phone no Wi-Fi

01:15:01

But I my version of this as i'm thinking about it is just I cut off every

01:15:08

distraction from the outside world basically if I'm gonna

01:15:12

Write scripts for a chorus for example, then I'm not checking anything

01:15:17

email

01:15:19

messenger

01:15:20

nothing

01:15:22

And that kind of happens already

01:15:24

Accidentally

01:15:25

Every once in a while

01:15:27

So that's kind of the thing that gives me hope is

01:15:29

Maybe I can schedule this stuff

01:15:32

Into my regular

01:15:34

Day-to-day. I'm not going to schedule it 16 weeks in advance like he talks about

01:15:38

That's intense as I sit down and think about my week

01:15:41

I think that there's an opportunity to say this day is going to be my untouchable day

01:15:48

And again, even if it's not completely untouchable

01:15:51

I feel like I can create the 80/20 of this

01:15:54

Right pretty easily given what I've got to work with for sure

01:16:01

Yeah, no, it makes perfect sense. I don't know. I like the idea

01:16:04

uh, it's it's one that I

01:16:07

It's it's

01:16:09

It struck me as deep work through and through from the get-go

01:16:13

and

01:16:15

As much as I love that concept like that's where deep work I feel like strikes me more because

01:16:20

Cal Newport at least gave the opening to do this for a few hours or just an hour

01:16:28

For your day uh that I can get on board with and I can I can implement that

01:16:33

But an untouchable day

01:16:36

At least in my work week

01:16:38

I have no idea how that would work. I can sometimes get three or five requests before I ever get to my desk

01:16:43

like that's

01:16:45

That's not abnormal. Yeah, and most of the time expected

01:16:49

So

01:16:51

Trying to do something like that would mean I can't go to the office

01:16:55

Like that that wouldn't work. You know yesterday. I was trying to do a few things at a deep work level

01:17:01

And was going to a few places in the building and in borderline hiding

01:17:06

But people come find you

01:17:08

You know and they they hunt you down and like if they need something and to be honest

01:17:12

They had legitimate requests that needed me hunted down for so

01:17:16

I can't really get to

01:17:19

Upset with that so you're basically making the excuses that he lists here

01:17:23

I know I know but what about emergencies, but what about urgent meetings?

01:17:27

And then the third one is I really want people on my team to take untouchable days

01:17:30

But they have trouble disconnecting the first two I think are very valid depending on your situation

01:17:35

But he would probably argue that that doesn't mean you can't do it

01:17:39

They're just going to be obstacles that you have to overcome. Yeah, no, you know in this particular case

01:17:45

We had a funeral getting ready to go on. You can't wait

01:17:49

Like that's not possible

01:17:52

So, you know, when I've got a grieving family that's trying to put together say a slide show that they so that they can remember the person that

01:18:00

the deceased

01:18:02

It's inappropriate for me to say no

01:18:05

I'm busy or to be unreachable. Like that's that's not acceptable. That's my job. So

01:18:11

That's I struggle with that part. I totally get him trying to shut down my excuses

01:18:17

I totally get it but I also don't know how to effectively do my job and do that at the same time

01:18:23

Now I will say this the one place where I could potentially see this being extremely helpful

01:18:29

And as this episode releases, I believe I can say this

01:18:33

There's an article coming out on the suite setup that Mike and I collaborated on somewhat Mike asked me a bunch of questions

01:18:38

And I responded to those and I I call out something

01:18:42

I don't think I've talked about online, but my family and I have recently started doing a shabbat dinner

01:18:47

So a Sabbath dinner

01:18:49

on either Friday or Saturday night depending on what's going on and then we take an entire day of

01:18:54

Rest and that entire day is typically Saturday because I work a lot of times on Sunday mornings

01:19:01

So that Saturday is usually when I'm taking a break that I have a tendency to be very regimented about

01:19:09

In trying to make sure that I'm focusing on my family that day and not letting the outside world

01:19:14

Get a hold of me and that's okay on that day

01:19:17

But I'm not going to be working

01:19:19

It on that day like that's that's a rest day. That's not a get work done day. So I could maybe see that

01:19:26

Applying here somewhat

01:19:29

But in a different way like I'm not going to be accomplishing a bunch of tasks on that day

01:19:33

So

01:19:35

I don't know. That's about a school since I can get

01:19:37

You know, he he does do a good job of shutting down my excuses though

01:19:40

Yep, so all right that said secret number nine

01:19:45

Never never stop now when we were talking about

01:19:49

Number five lose more to win more but also find small pawns

01:19:54

And we're referencing like yes, you have to be willing to move on

01:19:58

Like this I feel like is maybe the catch

01:20:00

Here in that he does cover that in that

01:20:05

Yes, you're going to have failures. Yes, you may have some successes, but don't stop

01:20:09

Keep stepping forward. Keep being willing to take the next step on the invisible staircase

01:20:14

Be willing to continue moving and pushing forward. That's what he's getting at here

01:20:19

I don't really have much more to say about it than that because this is just that never never stop keep going

01:20:25

Yeah, one additional thing i'll call out is he mentions don't overthink things simply because you have options

01:20:31

And I think this is difficult for me and probably a lot of other people too

01:20:36

where

01:20:38

if you are

01:20:40

Further along on your journey once you've made the mindset shift of I have the ability to

01:20:47

Design the type of life I want to live

01:20:49

You can get to the point where you're trying to keep all of these doors open

01:20:53

Which book was it where we talked about that was that?

01:20:56

Predictably irrational

01:20:58

You know where we try to I believe so and where we keep all the options open

01:21:03

And uh, he's basically saying just because you have a bunch of options don't overthink things just make a decision and go with it

01:21:09

Which is a good reminder to me because I totally tend to

01:21:14

Everything sure like well, I could do this. I could do that or should I do this or I don't want to close that door

01:21:21

But really just picking a

01:21:24

Course of action and then going all in with it. That's really the thing that's gonna make a difference

01:21:29

Uh, and then also he mentions that every connection is an opportunity to learn

01:21:35

And I view this as but when he said that you know, maybe that this isn't exactly the point that he was making

01:21:42

but

01:21:44

I've I read this or interpreted this as every single person that you come in contact with you have the ability to learn something from

01:21:53

It does not matter where you think you are on the totem pole and where you think they are

01:21:59

Even if you think that you are further along or above them and I hate using that term

01:22:05

But it's really like what we do if we're honest with ourselves

01:22:08

We think that we're above certain people because we've achieved something that's not really true

01:22:14

But that's kind of the natural perspective that we have. I don't want to look at people that way anymore

01:22:19

I want to every single person I come in contact with kind of ask myself. What can I learn from from this person?

01:22:25

Maybe there are aspects of my life where I've got some things

01:22:30

Figured out to a higher level than than they do but that doesn't mean that in a different area

01:22:36

They don't have more experience and can't teach me something and I feel like

01:22:40

I'm getting better at this but still I probably miss a lot of opportunities to learn something

01:22:47

Just because they don't recognize them and I want to be looking for those

01:22:50

Yeah, no, it's a good point to make. I do want to call out something from a higher level if you look through these nine

01:22:56

Secrets there is a progression here that I think is important and if you look at this whole progression it might

01:23:04

Handle some of the points we've brought up of well, you kind of need to be willing to do x

01:23:11

Not just this

01:23:13

He kind of calls it out if you look at the flow here. So something bad happens add a dot dot dot shift the spotlight

01:23:20

See that failure is a step and tell yourself a different story about it

01:23:24

So those are kind of four pieces of what happens when you have that failure

01:23:29

Then he kind of steps out, you know

01:23:32

Steps back from that to a kind of a meta level and talks about failures lose more to win more

01:23:37

Just talking about that failure at a higher level of just be willing to fail

01:23:42

So that you have time for those successes

01:23:44

But he also then goes in the secret six of reveal to heal so you've got the failure

01:23:49

You're working through it trying to see it the right way being willing to be okay with that failure, but then telling people about

01:23:55

Um, you know, whatever it is that you had that failure

01:23:58

So he does make a hard shift there from talking about the failure to what do you do with that failure?

01:24:03

But then he gets into how do you move past it?

01:24:07

So getting into seven eight nine moving past that failure and stepping into the next thing and on the next step in the invisible staircase

01:24:15

He gets into that and makes the point of don't stop climbing that staircase. So

01:24:20

When we've had the complaints around or maybe not complaints those are hard words

01:24:25

But um points around like yes, you have to be willing to shift pawns or you know

01:24:29

Don't just focus on failures

01:24:31

He kind of calls that out to some degree when you look at the overall flow of what he has there

01:24:37

So I can't appreciate you can tell he put a lot of thought into what order to put these into

01:24:42

The book. It's not just a randomized list of secrets or principles that he wants to point out

01:24:47

He does have the overall flow thought through which I think is true of most books

01:24:51

But I really noticed it in this particular

01:24:54

Uh outline here

01:24:56

Totally. Yeah, I completely agree

01:24:58

so that said

01:25:00

Action items mike. I have one

01:25:02

I should probably I feel like I should have more than that. Is that bad?

01:25:07

I I want to do this two-minute morning practice these prompts in the morning. I had to figure out how I want to do that

01:25:13

So much of this is just be aware of these problems

01:25:17

You know, that's you know

01:25:19

Be willing to see things in a certain way. It's all mindset stuff

01:25:22

So it's hard to really nail down what it is you're going to do with it when it's all in your head

01:25:29

Not that it's on your head, but it's on your head

01:25:32

It's true

01:25:33

All right. I've got three of them

01:25:35

uh, number one I mentioned I want to

01:25:38

Ask myself who can I mentally release to although you've given me food for thought with the stream of conscious writing

01:25:45

That's something I got away from

01:25:48

When we we've talked about that with the morning pages

01:25:50

Oh, yeah, this way. I think right maybe it's time to revisit that night. I have a fancy fountain pen

01:25:58

You'll appreciate it. We're now

01:26:00

Yeah

01:26:01

The second one

01:26:03

Was to share my failures

01:26:05

Again, I feel like this is something that I have been doing

01:26:07

It's not something that's going to just all of a sudden start, but it's a good reminder to keep doing that because

01:26:12

There is value in that

01:26:14

and then the third one is to

01:26:16

Think about how I might implement the untouchable days even if I don't take it all the way

01:26:21

To the to the degree that niel has I think that I can 80 20 this

01:26:27

and doing so would

01:26:29

Help me create more mental space

01:26:31

which is

01:26:33

A great lead into the book that we'll cover next time, but we'll come back to that

01:26:37

Yeah, for sure. So style in style and reading

01:26:40

You go first. Yeah

01:26:42

this one

01:26:43

It he tells a lot of story here and this and his personal story which is

01:26:48

like woven through the entire book from start to finish which is a fascinating story

01:26:54

and he is a very good writer in that he really pulls you into

01:26:59

Uh the book. I think I read this across. I think it was four sittings three or four settings something like that

01:27:06

just because

01:27:08

I didn't want to put it down and I had to make sure I had time whenever I picked it up because I knew I wasn't going to want to set it down

01:27:14

so

01:27:15

Kudos to niel on that absolutely loved

01:27:17

The process of reading it. I do feel that this is one that just about anybody should read

01:27:24

I feel like we say that from time to time, but this one I really truly say that because everybody has setbacks in life

01:27:29

And this really shows you on a detailed level what to do about it and how to become more resilient

01:27:36

So greatly appreciated that at the same time like we do have

01:27:40

You know, I I had a handful of places where like okay. Yes, but

01:27:46

And I wanted him to call a few things out a little bit more

01:27:50

So it just doesn't feel like it's a five oh

01:27:53

To me so

01:27:55

But I do think it's a ways up there. So I'm going to put it at 4.5

01:27:58

It is a great read

01:28:00

Absolutely loved it. Highly recommend it. So that's where i'm going to land. All right

01:28:04

I struggle with what to rate this because it's

01:28:10

not

01:28:12

my cup of tea

01:28:14

Uh, that's not it's not a knock against the book at all

01:28:19

It's uh, the stories are great and the what they the fact that they have is that they make

01:28:25

Neil more

01:28:27

Relatable and they make you want to hear what he has to say

01:28:32

People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care

01:28:36

And by telling the personal stories

01:28:39

You get the feeling that Neil is speaking directly to you and that he does care about your situation and this is

01:28:45

Advice from a close friend that you're meeting for coffee

01:28:49

It's a very easy read. I think I read it in two days. Nice. It's not

01:28:54

It's not uh, it's not something that is super heavy or heavy like you described it at the the beginning

01:29:02

And that's not a bad thing

01:29:04

That's also kind of what I prefer

01:29:06

So i'm going to take that out of the equation though and i'm going to join you at 4.5

01:29:12

Nice

01:29:13

It's not something that I think completely revolutionized my life

01:29:18

But there's a lot of stuff in here that maybe would have had I read it a couple of years ago and I had been in a different place

01:29:23

Sure

01:29:24

And I think that even if you have read every productivity book out there

01:29:28

You'll get something out of it and it's going to be an entertaining quick read. It's definitely worth your time

01:29:34

It's one that I would say like if you if you have read a lot of

01:29:38

Self-help productivity business books like like what we've done on bookworm

01:29:43

This is a great motivator. Yes

01:29:45

There is a lot of value in that like yes, you may know this stuff like I can't say that there was anything here that

01:29:52

Struck me as oh, that's revolutionary. I've never thought of that before that'll completely change my life

01:29:57

No, there's not really any of that to me

01:29:59

Because of what we've been through

01:30:02

But it is a very good motivational book to me because there's a lot of things in here

01:30:08

It's like yes, I know this but I needed reminded about it

01:30:12

So that's that's why I like it so much exactly it doesn't need to be a revolutionary

01:30:17

But he references a lot of studies in here that we've unpacked in a lot greater detail in other books

01:30:23

So there may be absolutely nothing new in here for you

01:30:27

But I guarantee you that once you go through this you will be motivated to a higher level to apply some of this stuff

01:30:33

Absolutely. So that said love the book highly recommend it put it on the shelf. What's next Mike?

01:30:39

Next is margin by Richard Swenson, which was a

01:30:44

Recommendation, I think rosemary was the first one to to vote for this

01:30:49

But it's something that I've wanted to talk about on bookworm for a very long time

01:30:53

So I was super excited when I saw it start to take off and uh, so this is one of the highest recommended books

01:31:00

in the club

01:31:02

And uh, I'm excited to go through this one with you next time. It's all about

01:31:06

Finding space. Yep, that'll be a good one and

01:31:10

Probably a good timing on that one as well. So the one after that

01:31:14

If you remember from a couple episodes ago was it three episodes ago now? I forget two or three

01:31:20

Uh, we went through super better and I played a game

01:31:22

And off a lotter on the club won that game. So off a lotter got to pick

01:31:28

uh, what the

01:31:30

Next choice that I was going to have if you follow my weird logic there

01:31:34

Um, so off a lotter picked the infinite game by simon sennock

01:31:38

And I think mike's okay with that

01:31:41

It didn't have to scare you

01:31:43

Yeah, I was going to say

01:31:46

Awful otter won the game, but more importantly mike did not lose the game

01:31:51

Yes, yes, so you've got margin then following that as the infinite game. Do you have a gap book this time room?

01:31:57

I do uh, I preordered this a while ago when I saw michael hyatt was working on this

01:32:04

He came out with a new book not too long ago called your world class assistant. It's all about working with a va

01:32:09

It's a it's a small book similar to the one that he wrote about no fail meetings

01:32:16

Have you seen that one? It's yeah, it's kind of like I like these hundred page books or something

01:32:20

So it's basically that size and I haven't started it yet

01:32:25

but no fail meetings was very practical lots of lists of things but

01:32:29

very uh direct and lots of actionable advice in it I have toyed around with the idea of

01:32:36

Hiring a va for a very long time. I even mentioned it

01:32:41

Was it last episode or the episode before as something I need to to revisit?

01:32:45

And I have no doubt I'm going to at some point and I want to do it right this time

01:32:50

So I want to see what michael hyatt can teach me all right

01:32:54

Well, if you're going to learn how to do it, he's probably a good one to learn from for sure. Yeah, um, I do not have a gap book this week

01:33:01

Uh with a course launch and stuff. I just have not had time to go through a second book excuses

01:33:07

I know I know I know I know but I think i'm better off than the long run for it

01:33:11

So I don't have a gap book this time around traveling and such so not even going to attempt that I know better

01:33:17

So you're already adding that margin. I am I am

01:33:21

So that said, uh big thanks to those of you who are listening live and joining us in the chat room

01:33:28

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01:33:49

Um, which I use on everything it seems like love that thing. So good job mike

01:33:54

So I there's a wallpaper you get all of mike's mind node files all the notes that are there

01:33:59

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01:34:03

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01:34:05

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01:34:19

Awesome. Well, thanks everybody for listening and if you're following along

01:34:24

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